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So let those who need it use existing HTTP <-> IRC gateways or write their own. IRC is flexible enough to accommodate this which is testament to how resilient a

So let those who need it use existing HTTP <-> IRC gateways or write their own. IRC is flexible enough to accommodate this which is testament to how resilient and extensible the protocol has proven to be over the decades. I see no reason whatsoever to make HTTP a core requirement.

threeseed 5y ago
Which is why everyone uses Slack, Teams etc and IRC is irrelevant. Because there wasn't enough focus on end user experience.
- metroholografix 5y ago
  "Everyone". Obviously not. Having used IRC for 25 years, I'll take excellent SNR over the sort of focus on end user experience you're talking about.
  - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
    > I'll take excellent SNR over the sort of focus on end user experience you're talking about The kind of SNR that causes an attempted takeover? As IRC has depopulated it's been increasingly inhabited by a particular type of person and has a particular culture. That's fine, but ascribing some technical superiority to it because of your cultural preferences doesn't make sense. IRC attracts a certain type of user who persists despite its UX; it's not technologically superior. The rest of us who aren't in that culture go elsewhere, to a network that fulfills our needs. Like Matrix (or even XMPP for some).
    - Dracophoenix 5y ago
      >The kind of SNR that causes an attempted takeover? As IRC has depopulated it's been increasingly inhabited by a particular type of person and has a particular culture. If you mean anime subbers, 4channers, and the warez/pirate crowd , they've all moved to Discord or Telegram. The only ones left are the technically inclined folk who adopted the platform at its genesis (i.e. #c, #perl, etc.)
      - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
        No I mean the technically inclined. Adding a layer of gatekeeping just means folks who are okay with that keeping make it across. IRC has a very particular culture.
    - metroholografix 5y ago
      You're being disingenuous. IRC has been right at the center of the vast majority of non-enterprise technical communities and especially opensource for the last 25 years. Say what you will about culture but this is a fact and I don't see it changing. Slack and Teams are gimmicks at best. Matrix unusable for me, every single one of my peers and, apparently, the vast majority of said technical communities that keep their center of operations firmly entrenched in IRC.
      - xvilka 5y ago
        We recently switched to use self-hosted Mattermost plus Matterbridge[1] to connect with IRC, Telegram, Discord, etc. There is also an amazing console client - Matterhorn[2]. [1] https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge [2] https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn
        sneak 5y ago
        Note that mattermost by default phones home to a spyware analytics service even when you selfhost it. The env vars for disabling it are hidden/undocumented. Copy the diagnostics/securityalert env vars from here, as well as the sed lines: https://github.com/caprover/one-click-apps/blob/master/public/v4/apps/mattermost.yml https://github.com/caprover/one-click-apps/blob/master/publi...
        it33 5y ago
        Mattermost CEO here, thanks for the share out! We're big fans of Matterbridge and Matterhorn as well!
        xvilka 5y ago
        I hope the categories that are already available in the Web client will be available in the mobile [1] and Matterhorn [2] clients too. [1] https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-mobile/issues/5387 https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-mobile/issues/5387 [2] https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn/issues/711 https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn/issues/711
- mech422 5y ago
  slack has to be the worst 'end user experience' I've had with messaging. The threading is horrible, the client is huge and regularly 'stalls' (garbage collection?), and the voice chat is laggy as all get out. Basically, for large international orgs - it seems to be more trouble then its worth... about the only highlight is ease of creating bots for monitoring and automation.

threeseed 5y ago

Which is why everyone uses Slack, Teams etc and IRC is irrelevant. Because there wasn't enough focus on end user experience.

metroholografix 5y ago
"Everyone". Obviously not. Having used IRC for 25 years, I'll take excellent SNR over the sort of focus on end user experience you're talking about.
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago
  > I'll take excellent SNR over the sort of focus on end user experience you're talking about The kind of SNR that causes an attempted takeover? As IRC has depopulated it's been increasingly inhabited by a particular type of person and has a particular culture. That's fine, but ascribing some technical superiority to it because of your cultural preferences doesn't make sense. IRC attracts a certain type of user who persists despite its UX; it's not technologically superior. The rest of us who aren't in that culture go elsewhere, to a network that fulfills our needs. Like Matrix (or even XMPP for some).
  - Dracophoenix 5y ago
    >The kind of SNR that causes an attempted takeover? As IRC has depopulated it's been increasingly inhabited by a particular type of person and has a particular culture. If you mean anime subbers, 4channers, and the warez/pirate crowd , they've all moved to Discord or Telegram. The only ones left are the technically inclined folk who adopted the platform at its genesis (i.e. #c, #perl, etc.)
    - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
      No I mean the technically inclined. Adding a layer of gatekeeping just means folks who are okay with that keeping make it across. IRC has a very particular culture.
  - metroholografix 5y ago
    You're being disingenuous. IRC has been right at the center of the vast majority of non-enterprise technical communities and especially opensource for the last 25 years. Say what you will about culture but this is a fact and I don't see it changing. Slack and Teams are gimmicks at best. Matrix unusable for me, every single one of my peers and, apparently, the vast majority of said technical communities that keep their center of operations firmly entrenched in IRC.
    - xvilka 5y ago
      We recently switched to use self-hosted Mattermost plus Matterbridge[1] to connect with IRC, Telegram, Discord, etc. There is also an amazing console client - Matterhorn[2]. [1] https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge [2] https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn
      - sneak 5y ago
        Note that mattermost by default phones home to a spyware analytics service even when you selfhost it. The env vars for disabling it are hidden/undocumented. Copy the diagnostics/securityalert env vars from here, as well as the sed lines: https://github.com/caprover/one-click-apps/blob/master/public/v4/apps/mattermost.yml https://github.com/caprover/one-click-apps/blob/master/publi...
      - it33 5y ago
        Mattermost CEO here, thanks for the share out! We're big fans of Matterbridge and Matterhorn as well!
        xvilka 5y ago
        I hope the categories that are already available in the Web client will be available in the mobile [1] and Matterhorn [2] clients too. [1] https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-mobile/issues/5387 https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-mobile/issues/5387 [2] https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn/issues/711 https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn/issues/711
mech422 5y ago
slack has to be the worst 'end user experience' I've had with messaging. The threading is horrible, the client is huge and regularly 'stalls' (garbage collection?), and the voice chat is laggy as all get out. Basically, for large international orgs - it seems to be more trouble then its worth... about the only highlight is ease of creating bots for monitoring and automation.