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In my opinion, SF has peaked. I personally moved to SF during the pandemic, and am planning to move out when my lease is up. The amount of disarray in the cit

by nscalf 5y ago

In my opinion, SF has peaked. I personally moved to SF during the pandemic, and am planning to move out when my lease is up. The amount of disarray in the city is wild. Crime seems to be entirely ignored, the homeless problem has exploded and there is a widespread hate if you call it for what it is: a public health and humanitarian crisis. And the most important thing that SF had to make it a tech hub has been broken and moved online: the network effect. I moved here because I felt like I didn't have a choice if I wanted to build or be part of successful startups, now I feel like living here is hindering that process. You can live anywhere and get cheaper talent across the country, pay less taxes, and have almost the same upsides.

762236 5y ago
You have to live someplace with a moonlighting law to have the same upsides. Otherwise, prepare to sign a work contract where the employer owns every thought in your head, and every piece of code that you write on you own time (like when trying to make a startup on the side).
- ghaff 5y ago
  Or just don't work for a company that has such requirements in their contracts. Just because something is allowed doesn't mean most/many/all companies do.
  - itake 5y ago
    any advice on how to filter that? Seems like I don't find out that information until I've completed a ~8 hour interview process and need to review the final employment offer. I've also never worked at a company that didn't have that clause.
    - LimaBearz 5y ago
      Bring it up during the initial contact from the recruiter. When they ask about you’re “salary requirements” is when it can be brought up. Ignore the parts on working for competitors (that’s illegal in CA anyways just let the dog be), focus on you’re property only. When listing projects and ideas last time I got the waiver even while keeping the ideas extremely vague and broadly encompassing. Having said that it isn’t required to even disclose persay. There aren’t a lot of cases of employers going after an employee unless you directly rip them off or rip off even a part of their valid IP you create. Though if you plan to take VC money at any point they’ll want to see that waiver even if it’s unrelated. If it’s open source there is substantially more leeway. I’ll let the commenters argue the pedantry. As for OP that’s a very conservative bootlicky answer, every employer has standard boilerplate language against it, you cant filter it out but you can negotiate it away. It’s not an issue usually it’s just some lawyer covering his bases. Edit: and as a side note California is special in the sense that our economy and brain power is massive. The courts know this and are very worker friendly in this regard. If the lawyers and employers had their way with their insanely restrictive contracts it would severely stifle competition and economic growth/health
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- john_moscow 5y ago
  Or just politely explain the situation and ask to remove these clauses from the contract. In many cases this works.
ub99 5y ago
I am surprised that the crime and the homeless problem were not even mentioned as the key reasons for people leaving SF. I live on Mission street and a Walgreens near me was closed recently due to the amount of open shoplifting that no one would even bother to stop or investigate. I mean, I pay $3K for a small apartment - I expect some basic level of safety basically in the downtown area of a major US city. Whatever is happening with the local government - it doesn’t work.
- shard 5y ago
  From what I've heard, larger companies have stopped trying to prevent shoplifting under a certain amount, since they don't want the liability of their staff getting injured in any altercations. The companies are actively telling their employees to not intervene in a physical manner. This has led to the brazen behavior by shoplifters to steal without concealing their actions.
senbarryobama 5y ago
As someone who plans to move to SF after the pandemic, this is heartbreaking. Any alternative viewpoints?
puzzlepursuer 5y ago
A delayed response, however it should be noted that the comment above is indicative of someone who isn't trying to contribute or improve anything. SF has peaked? What do you mean, like the price of a crypto coin or a stock? Your comment suggests that you first moved to SF sometime in the past eighteen months expecting to discover a get rich quick scheme and now consider yourself an expert on the place. It's possible you're merely <30 and lack context. Perhaps all the aforementioned hypotheses are true. "Longtime" SF/BA residents have observed an influx of treasure seekers arriving with schemes to earn fortunes since the mid 2000s. If you ask a majority of those longtime residents they would likely tell you that certain things "peaked" in 1998. You could also go back to the 1970s and 80s when Apple was in its infancy, or when HP was founded in 1939. Residents living then might've given you a different "peak." Of course you could go all the way back to the 1800s and I'd wager that a majority of indigenous peoples felt SF peaked prior to the arrival of Europeans. You can find people who still believe that now if you're curious enough. The point is that making a comment like yours is unproductive because cities/regions are constantly evolving. Again, probably the majority of longtime residents are hoping SF and the BA will "peak" when the people who moved to the region looking for a quick buck move elsewhere. Sorry to be confrontational, but when you attack a region or city then you better not miss. If you're always focused on looking for negatives in a place, person, or idea then you'll always be able to identify something to criticize.

by nscalf 5y ago

762236 5y ago

You have to live someplace with a moonlighting law to have the same upsides. Otherwise, prepare to sign a work contract where the employer owns every thought in your head, and every piece of code that you write on you own time (like when trying to make a startup on the side).

ghaff 5y ago
Or just don't work for a company that has such requirements in their contracts. Just because something is allowed doesn't mean most/many/all companies do.
- itake 5y ago
  any advice on how to filter that? Seems like I don't find out that information until I've completed a ~8 hour interview process and need to review the final employment offer. I've also never worked at a company that didn't have that clause.
  - LimaBearz 5y ago
    Bring it up during the initial contact from the recruiter. When they ask about you’re “salary requirements” is when it can be brought up. Ignore the parts on working for competitors (that’s illegal in CA anyways just let the dog be), focus on you’re property only. When listing projects and ideas last time I got the waiver even while keeping the ideas extremely vague and broadly encompassing. Having said that it isn’t required to even disclose persay. There aren’t a lot of cases of employers going after an employee unless you directly rip them off or rip off even a part of their valid IP you create. Though if you plan to take VC money at any point they’ll want to see that waiver even if it’s unrelated. If it’s open source there is substantially more leeway. I’ll let the commenters argue the pedantry. As for OP that’s a very conservative bootlicky answer, every employer has standard boilerplate language against it, you cant filter it out but you can negotiate it away. It’s not an issue usually it’s just some lawyer covering his bases. Edit: and as a side note California is special in the sense that our economy and brain power is massive. The courts know this and are very worker friendly in this regard. If the lawyers and employers had their way with their insanely restrictive contracts it would severely stifle competition and economic growth/health
  - deleted 5y ago
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john_moscow 5y ago
Or just politely explain the situation and ask to remove these clauses from the contract. In many cases this works.

ub99 5y ago

I am surprised that the crime and the homeless problem were not even mentioned as the key reasons for people leaving SF. I live on Mission street and a Walgreens near me was closed recently due to the amount of open shoplifting that no one would even bother to stop or investigate. I mean, I pay $3K for a small apartment - I expect some basic level of safety basically in the downtown area of a major US city. Whatever is happening with the local government - it doesn’t work.

shard 5y ago
From what I've heard, larger companies have stopped trying to prevent shoplifting under a certain amount, since they don't want the liability of their staff getting injured in any altercations. The companies are actively telling their employees to not intervene in a physical manner. This has led to the brazen behavior by shoplifters to steal without concealing their actions.

senbarryobama 5y ago

As someone who plans to move to SF after the pandemic, this is heartbreaking. Any alternative viewpoints?

puzzlepursuer 5y ago

A delayed response, however it should be noted that the comment above is indicative of someone who isn't trying to contribute or improve anything. SF has peaked? What do you mean, like the price of a crypto coin or a stock? Your comment suggests that you first moved to SF sometime in the past eighteen months expecting to discover a get rich quick scheme and now consider yourself an expert on the place. It's possible you're merely <30 and lack context. Perhaps all the aforementioned hypotheses are true. "Longtime" SF/BA residents have observed an influx of treasure seekers arriving with schemes to earn fortunes since the mid 2000s. If you ask a majority of those longtime residents they would likely tell you that certain things "peaked" in 1998. You could also go back to the 1970s and 80s when Apple was in its infancy, or when HP was founded in 1939. Residents living then might've given you a different "peak." Of course you could go all the way back to the 1800s and I'd wager that a majority of indigenous peoples felt SF peaked prior to the arrival of Europeans. You can find people who still believe that now if you're curious enough. The point is that making a comment like yours is unproductive because cities/regions are constantly evolving. Again, probably the majority of longtime residents are hoping SF and the BA will "peak" when the people who moved to the region looking for a quick buck move elsewhere. Sorry to be confrontational, but when you attack a region or city then you better not miss. If you're always focused on looking for negatives in a place, person, or idea then you'll always be able to identify something to criticize.