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Thanks! This is super cool! Question - when did the VC model really come into play? Were the Fairchildren like AMD VC funded? A lot of others have mentioned t

Thanks! This is super cool! Question - when did the VC model really come into play? Were the Fairchildren like AMD VC funded? A lot of others have mentioned that space plays a role in this a lot. Companies needed fabricators and data centers, which took up space, so it was too expensive to be in the city. Is this really all there was to it? Back in these times - there was White Flight from the cities, right? Did most people (even college grads) prefer to work in the suburbs then? Was this even a factor at all?

clpm4j 5y ago
You would enjoy the documentary 'Something Ventured'. http://www.somethingventuredthemovie.com/ http://www.somethingventuredthemovie.com/
astrange 5y ago
If you're asking why Silicon Valley is in California at all, the answer is that the state bans all non-compete agreements and won't enforce ones made in other states. This is probably why it's not in Cambridge, though it doesn't explain anything more specific than that.
- ghaff 5y ago
  I honestly think non-competes are overstated. I've worked in MA most of my life, once signed one, and it was very specific. I now work for a company that even lets me contribute to competing open source projects. Do all non-CA companies let you do that? I'm aware of one or two consulting firms that have very draconian non-compete clauses but not sure it's very common and MA, specifically, defanged them a while ago. Personally, I think it was more of a conservative East Coast mentality vs. an anything is possible West Coast Mentality. Stephen Levy's Hackers is probably a good start (but skip the Stallman The Last Hacker part).
  - paxys 5y ago
    Non-competes are absolutely not overstated. Microsoft would frequently sue employees in WA for violating non-compete agreements when they bounced to work for Google, Facebook or other tech companies who were starting to open up offices in Seattle. Amazon recently sued an exec for moving to Google cloud (also in WA) – https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/11/aws-case-against-worker-who-joined-google-reignites-non-compete-debate.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/11/aws-case-against-worker-who-...). Here's an IBM one from New York – https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=84252db4-ccc3-499f-a7b6-186e89497717 https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=84252db4-ccc3.... A quick search yielded a ton of results for large tech companies suing employees and each other over non-competes, and – surprise – none of them are in California.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
    Honestly - isn't it most likely to be random luck?
    - ghaff 5y ago
      Possibly. To the degree that you believe Shockley was an important catalyst, that does seem to have been largely happenstance. There are arguments to be made that the next phase after the minicomputer would logically be somewhere other than the Northeast. On the other hand, a great deal of computer tech prior to the minicomputer was concentrated on the northern part of the East Coast, so why a shift? Finally, given Compaq, Dell, and TI, why not a more robust Silicon Prairie earlier?
  - astrange 5y ago
    I'm not sure how often it comes up, but SV started with Fairchild Semiconductor being founded by everyone leaving Shockley's company - so it would've been important right at the start.
- nostrademons 5y ago
  Don't forget the importance of Shockley's mom being in Palo Alto. His stated reason for moving to the west coast was to be closer to her. Given that pretty much all the "silicon" companies in Silicon Valley are descendants of Shockley Semiconductor, that chance occurrence is probably enough to explain it.
ghaff 5y ago
Companies generally preferred to be located in the suburbs because it was generally cheaper. But employees (notably including execs) also preferred to live there. Manufacturing facilities had absolutely been in cities in the past. Teradyne was in Boston. Gillette was in Boston. There are big pharma facilities in Kendall Square today. So it was at least in part access to workers that moved companies out of cities.
abalone 5y ago
Silicon Valley happened because of proximity to Stanford University and Moffett Field and the copious amounts of government / military funding and contracts that came through them (DARPA, etc). This is a very basic fact of the history of SV that many in the VC scene are reluctant to acknowledge.

clpm4j 5y ago

You would enjoy the documentary 'Something Ventured'. http://www.somethingventuredthemovie.com/ http://www.somethingventuredthemovie.com/

astrange 5y ago

If you're asking why Silicon Valley is in California at all, the answer is that the state bans all non-compete agreements and won't enforce ones made in other states. This is probably why it's not in Cambridge, though it doesn't explain anything more specific than that.

ghaff 5y ago
I honestly think non-competes are overstated. I've worked in MA most of my life, once signed one, and it was very specific. I now work for a company that even lets me contribute to competing open source projects. Do all non-CA companies let you do that? I'm aware of one or two consulting firms that have very draconian non-compete clauses but not sure it's very common and MA, specifically, defanged them a while ago. Personally, I think it was more of a conservative East Coast mentality vs. an anything is possible West Coast Mentality. Stephen Levy's Hackers is probably a good start (but skip the Stallman The Last Hacker part).
- paxys 5y ago
  Non-competes are absolutely not overstated. Microsoft would frequently sue employees in WA for violating non-compete agreements when they bounced to work for Google, Facebook or other tech companies who were starting to open up offices in Seattle. Amazon recently sued an exec for moving to Google cloud (also in WA) – https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/11/aws-case-against-worker-who-joined-google-reignites-non-compete-debate.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/11/aws-case-against-worker-who-...). Here's an IBM one from New York – https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=84252db4-ccc3-499f-a7b6-186e89497717 https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=84252db4-ccc3.... A quick search yielded a ton of results for large tech companies suing employees and each other over non-competes, and – surprise – none of them are in California.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
  Honestly - isn't it most likely to be random luck?
  - ghaff 5y ago
    Possibly. To the degree that you believe Shockley was an important catalyst, that does seem to have been largely happenstance. There are arguments to be made that the next phase after the minicomputer would logically be somewhere other than the Northeast. On the other hand, a great deal of computer tech prior to the minicomputer was concentrated on the northern part of the East Coast, so why a shift? Finally, given Compaq, Dell, and TI, why not a more robust Silicon Prairie earlier?
- astrange 5y ago
  I'm not sure how often it comes up, but SV started with Fairchild Semiconductor being founded by everyone leaving Shockley's company - so it would've been important right at the start.
nostrademons 5y ago
Don't forget the importance of Shockley's mom being in Palo Alto. His stated reason for moving to the west coast was to be closer to her. Given that pretty much all the "silicon" companies in Silicon Valley are descendants of Shockley Semiconductor, that chance occurrence is probably enough to explain it.

ghaff 5y ago

Companies generally preferred to be located in the suburbs because it was generally cheaper. But employees (notably including execs) also preferred to live there. Manufacturing facilities had absolutely been in cities in the past. Teradyne was in Boston. Gillette was in Boston. There are big pharma facilities in Kendall Square today. So it was at least in part access to workers that moved companies out of cities.

abalone 5y ago

Silicon Valley happened because of proximity to Stanford University and Moffett Field and the copious amounts of government / military funding and contracts that came through them (DARPA, etc). This is a very basic fact of the history of SV that many in the VC scene are reluctant to acknowledge.