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> we'd change Roman Catholic Churches just curious what do you mean by changing Roman Catholic churches? As far as i know there is only one roman catholic chur

> we'd change Roman Catholic Churches just curious what do you mean by changing Roman Catholic churches? As far as i know there is only one roman catholic church, but with different dogma's depending on region.

User23 5y ago
There are many churches in full communion with Rome that are not Roman[1]. [1] https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2007/09/20/are-they-really-catholic-part-i/ https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2007/09/20/are-they-really-cath...
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > There are many churches in full communion with Rome that are not Roman[1]. No there aren’t; your source seems to have confused the descriptor “Roman Catholic Church” which refers to the entire body in union with Rome for what is usually described, where it needs to be distinguished, as “Latin Church” [0], the autonomous particular sui iuris church within the Roman Catholic headed by the Patriarch of Rome (who, as Pope, is also head of the entire Roman Catholic Church, with superceding authority over the heads of the sui iuris churches.) [0] formerly also commonly “Western...” but the use of that descriptor has since been fairly authoritatively declared as no longer approrpriate.
  - skissane 5y ago
    The term "Roman" in "Roman Catholic" is ambiguous. Some people read it as meaning "in communion with the Bishop of Rome", other people read it as meaning "Latin Church" ("Latin Rite", "Roman Rite", etc). The Eastern Catholic Churches are Roman in the first sense but not the second. In my experience, some Eastern Catholics reject the term "Roman Catholic" as a descriptor for themselves because they associate the phrase with the second definition not the first. Given that, I'm not inclined to agree with you that the "Roman Catholic=Latin Catholic" usage is wrong, it's just different.
prewett 5y ago
"Church" often means "congregation", so he probably meant changing parishes, emphasizing that although the broader denomination remained the same, individual parishes/congregations/churches were often substantially different.
jghn 5y ago
As prewett said, I was referring to individual parishes. I didn't mean to capitalize the `C` in `Churches` which perhaps added to the confusion. Whenever we'd shift parishes due to moving or whatever there was always very slight & subtle differences. For instance, this was all post Vatican II but close enough that some were very much still old timey in feel and others felt more contemporary. Another example stems from the homilies the priests would give, each individual would have their own spin on things and that can have a huge impact on atmosphere. Specifically what I meant by my comment: my recollection was that some of the key differences in those anabaptist congregations I mentioned tied to physical layout during service. Who sat where, who stood where, etc. Those were the sorts of things that was always a bit different parish to parish in my experience attending mass at a number of RC parishes.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> As far as i know there is only one roman catholic church, but with different dogma's depending on region. There is one Roman Catholic Church and its dogmas (and even mere doctrines) are the same everywhere. There are several autonomous particular churches sui iuris within the Roman Catholic Church, and within them many local particular churches, and within them many smaller units called churches, all of which vary in a greater or lesser extent in practices and traditions (but not dogma or doctrine.)

User23 5y ago

There are many churches in full communion with Rome that are not Roman[1]. [1] https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2007/09/20/are-they-really-catholic-part-i/ https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2007/09/20/are-they-really-cath...

dragonwriter 5y ago
> There are many churches in full communion with Rome that are not Roman[1]. No there aren’t; your source seems to have confused the descriptor “Roman Catholic Church” which refers to the entire body in union with Rome for what is usually described, where it needs to be distinguished, as “Latin Church” [0], the autonomous particular sui iuris church within the Roman Catholic headed by the Patriarch of Rome (who, as Pope, is also head of the entire Roman Catholic Church, with superceding authority over the heads of the sui iuris churches.) [0] formerly also commonly “Western...” but the use of that descriptor has since been fairly authoritatively declared as no longer approrpriate.
- skissane 5y ago
  The term "Roman" in "Roman Catholic" is ambiguous. Some people read it as meaning "in communion with the Bishop of Rome", other people read it as meaning "Latin Church" ("Latin Rite", "Roman Rite", etc). The Eastern Catholic Churches are Roman in the first sense but not the second. In my experience, some Eastern Catholics reject the term "Roman Catholic" as a descriptor for themselves because they associate the phrase with the second definition not the first. Given that, I'm not inclined to agree with you that the "Roman Catholic=Latin Catholic" usage is wrong, it's just different.

prewett 5y ago

"Church" often means "congregation", so he probably meant changing parishes, emphasizing that although the broader denomination remained the same, individual parishes/congregations/churches were often substantially different.

jghn 5y ago

As prewett said, I was referring to individual parishes. I didn't mean to capitalize the `C` in `Churches` which perhaps added to the confusion. Whenever we'd shift parishes due to moving or whatever there was always very slight & subtle differences. For instance, this was all post Vatican II but close enough that some were very much still old timey in feel and others felt more contemporary. Another example stems from the homilies the priests would give, each individual would have their own spin on things and that can have a huge impact on atmosphere. Specifically what I meant by my comment: my recollection was that some of the key differences in those anabaptist congregations I mentioned tied to physical layout during service. Who sat where, who stood where, etc. Those were the sorts of things that was always a bit different parish to parish in my experience attending mass at a number of RC parishes.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> As far as i know there is only one roman catholic church, but with different dogma's depending on region. There is one Roman Catholic Church and its dogmas (and even mere doctrines) are the same everywhere. There are several autonomous particular churches sui iuris within the Roman Catholic Church, and within them many local particular churches, and within them many smaller units called churches, all of which vary in a greater or lesser extent in practices and traditions (but not dogma or doctrine.)