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I'm a happy customer for their reasonable prices. If the prices require banning extreme cost outliers like crypto mining I'm okay with that.

john_alan 5y ago
Great hopefully you never need a compute resource they consider an outlier.
- w0de0 5y ago
  Do you take the same attitude to a rented apartment? A hotel room? Build your own datacenter if you want to own it.
  - john_alan 5y ago
    To continue your retarded analogy, I’m not looking to add my own disks to their machine and hang my cpu on their wall. I just want to use the compute resource they rent me for arbitrary computation.
  - olyjohn 5y ago
    If I was told that I get 1300sq ft to live in, and then got in trouble or kicked out for using all of it, I'd be pretty pissed off.
    - majewsky 5y ago
      There are plenty of things that you cannot do in an apartment. If it's a building with multiple tenants, you'll be forbidden from doing stuff that's an unnecessary disturbance to other tenants. But even apart from that, there are physical limitations. For example, many apartment buildings forbid large aquariums because the building is not designed to handle the uneven load distribution.
- Spivak 5y ago
  Look, this argument basically just boils down to "businesses can't fire customers for whom it doesn't make financial, operational, or reputational sense to serve." And like sure that sounds good except that we currently take the opposite stance by having protected classes. They are the single carve-out exception for the general idea that you can otherwise fire your customers for any reason you see fit.
  - john_alan 5y ago
    Interesting point. I’m not looking for crypto to be protected. I’m looking for all compute classes to be treated equally. Overriding this, a company should absolutely have the right to offload a customer. That said, don’t then market yourself as general purpose computing in the cloud. If I pay for xCPU @ xHz with yRAM I don’t want to have you then tell me what I can do with it. Just charge me aptly for my use. Tbf I wouldn’t like to think they’d even know what I’m doing. Privacy should be ok.
    - res0nat0r 5y ago
      All compute classes have never been treated equally though. If I open an AWS account and launch dozens of instances and DDoS other customers / locations on the internet AWS will terminate my account and shut everything down. The provider always has discretion on whatever it really wants to provide service to you or not.
      - john_alan 5y ago
        It’s a fair point. Folks need to wake up to the fact that if we all end up relying on 3 cloud providers, we also end up having to live with their discretion regarding what is acceptable / moral use. Also, this isn’t really the same as a DDOS, this is localised computation effectively. Running a hash function.
        throwaway81523 5y ago
        We are talking mostly about Chia, which destroys hardware, unlike computational applications.

john_alan 5y ago

Great hopefully you never need a compute resource they consider an outlier.

w0de0 5y ago
Do you take the same attitude to a rented apartment? A hotel room? Build your own datacenter if you want to own it.
- john_alan 5y ago
  To continue your retarded analogy, I’m not looking to add my own disks to their machine and hang my cpu on their wall. I just want to use the compute resource they rent me for arbitrary computation.
- olyjohn 5y ago
  If I was told that I get 1300sq ft to live in, and then got in trouble or kicked out for using all of it, I'd be pretty pissed off.
  - majewsky 5y ago
    There are plenty of things that you cannot do in an apartment. If it's a building with multiple tenants, you'll be forbidden from doing stuff that's an unnecessary disturbance to other tenants. But even apart from that, there are physical limitations. For example, many apartment buildings forbid large aquariums because the building is not designed to handle the uneven load distribution.
Spivak 5y ago
Look, this argument basically just boils down to "businesses can't fire customers for whom it doesn't make financial, operational, or reputational sense to serve." And like sure that sounds good except that we currently take the opposite stance by having protected classes. They are the single carve-out exception for the general idea that you can otherwise fire your customers for any reason you see fit.
- john_alan 5y ago
  Interesting point. I’m not looking for crypto to be protected. I’m looking for all compute classes to be treated equally. Overriding this, a company should absolutely have the right to offload a customer. That said, don’t then market yourself as general purpose computing in the cloud. If I pay for xCPU @ xHz with yRAM I don’t want to have you then tell me what I can do with it. Just charge me aptly for my use. Tbf I wouldn’t like to think they’d even know what I’m doing. Privacy should be ok.
  - res0nat0r 5y ago
    All compute classes have never been treated equally though. If I open an AWS account and launch dozens of instances and DDoS other customers / locations on the internet AWS will terminate my account and shut everything down. The provider always has discretion on whatever it really wants to provide service to you or not.
    - john_alan 5y ago
      It’s a fair point. Folks need to wake up to the fact that if we all end up relying on 3 cloud providers, we also end up having to live with their discretion regarding what is acceptable / moral use. Also, this isn’t really the same as a DDOS, this is localised computation effectively. Running a hash function.
      - throwaway81523 5y ago
        We are talking mostly about Chia, which destroys hardware, unlike computational applications.