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Wait, I just glanced at the material - is this someone (re/independently) inventing graphs?

by gota 5y ago

JKCalhoun 5y ago
Sort of. From Wikipedia: "He coined the terms hypertext and hypermedia in 1963 and published them in 1965."
feanaro 5y ago
zzstructures are both graphs where you can have many edges (of different types) between any two nodes and a method of visual presentation and navigation of that structure.
cratermoon 5y ago
See Nelson's paper "A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing and the Indeterminate" https://andymatuschak.org/files/papers/Nelson1965.pdf https://andymatuschak.org/files/papers/Nelson1965.pdf Edit to add: I just noticed that the last update to that page was in 2002. When I hit the box about CSS, Mozilla, Netscape Navigator 4.7, and WML I did hard double-take.
DennisP 5y ago
It's a "subset of general graphs - the restriction is that a node may have only one incoming and one outgoing edge with a given edge label. So structures are organized as lists/strings of nodes, which makes it easier to visualize than general graphs" http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/233#comment-1706 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/233#comment-1706
uxp100 5y ago
No, but also not just someone, Ted Nelson. I highly recommend Geeks Bearing Gifts or Computer Lib/Dream Machines. He is a crank, who has never been involved in a successful software project as far as I am aware. He is also great.
- prionassembly 5y ago
  Every crank is a visionary, but not every visionary is a crank. Some visionaries prove to be prophets and seers. Some have ideas that are bogus. Due to the nature of visionary ideas, this is most of the time unknown -- e.g. Julian Jaynes's bicameral mind. A crank is a visionary whose ideas are knowably bogus: e.g. Rupert Sheldrake. (A charlatan is unlike a crank because he has no idee fixe, no vision -- he moves opportunistically. A conspiracist is similarly unlike a crank because it bites at anything that moves.) Whether Ted Nelson is a crank is left as an exercise for the reader.

Wait, I just glanced at the material - is this someone (re/independently) inventing graphs?

by gota 5y ago

Wait, I just glanced at the material - is this someone (re/independently) inventing graphs?

JKCalhoun 5y ago

Sort of. From Wikipedia: "He coined the terms hypertext and hypermedia in 1963 and published them in 1965."

feanaro 5y ago

zzstructures are both graphs where you can have many edges (of different types) between any two nodes and a method of visual presentation and navigation of that structure.

cratermoon 5y ago

See Nelson's paper "A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing and the Indeterminate" https://andymatuschak.org/files/papers/Nelson1965.pdf https://andymatuschak.org/files/papers/Nelson1965.pdf Edit to add: I just noticed that the last update to that page was in 2002. When I hit the box about CSS, Mozilla, Netscape Navigator 4.7, and WML I did hard double-take.

DennisP 5y ago

It's a "subset of general graphs - the restriction is that a node may have only one incoming and one outgoing edge with a given edge label. So structures are organized as lists/strings of nodes, which makes it easier to visualize than general graphs" http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/233#comment-1706 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/233#comment-1706

uxp100 5y ago

No, but also not just someone, Ted Nelson. I highly recommend Geeks Bearing Gifts or Computer Lib/Dream Machines. He is a crank, who has never been involved in a successful software project as far as I am aware. He is also great.

prionassembly 5y ago
Every crank is a visionary, but not every visionary is a crank. Some visionaries prove to be prophets and seers. Some have ideas that are bogus. Due to the nature of visionary ideas, this is most of the time unknown -- e.g. Julian Jaynes's bicameral mind. A crank is a visionary whose ideas are knowably bogus: e.g. Rupert Sheldrake. (A charlatan is unlike a crank because he has no idee fixe, no vision -- he moves opportunistically. A conspiracist is similarly unlike a crank because it bites at anything that moves.) Whether Ted Nelson is a crank is left as an exercise for the reader.