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Google employees call for company to support Palestinians and allow anti-Zionism

29 points by lalaland1125 5y ago

Dah00n 5y ago
>A group of Jewish Google employees is calling on the company to increase its support of Palestinians amid Israel’s deadly bombing campaign in Gaza. I don't see how anyone could not support this. Guess I'm biased.
- flyinglizard 5y ago
  The Israeli Google employees in Google's two Israeli campuses, for instance, who have been under Palestinian rocket fire for about a week now.
  - snicker7 5y ago
    *Hamas rocket fire
    - flyinglizard 5y ago
      Hamas is the legitimately elected representative of the Palestinians in Gaza. They were voted into power in 2006 and act as the Gazan sovereign. We can agree on "Gazan rocket fire".
      - snicker7 5y ago
        2006 was 15 years ago
        chrismcb 5y ago
        And yet that was the last time the was an election (at least for the top officials)
    - Pet_Ant 5y ago
      > *Hamas rocket fire This is the rub really. The militants aren't formally part of the government, the aren't broadly supported, but they are tolerated. People don't fully agree with them... or disagree with them. My mental model is the de facto soft semi-decriminalization of marajuana that was in places in many states before 10 years or so. ...like most of the Middle East: it's complicated.
      - pliny 5y ago
        Hamas is the government in Gaza.
        Pet_Ant 5y ago
        I was under the impression that the militant wing was only loosely affiliated with the political wing. There was discussion after 2001 when they were updating the list of terrorist organizations.
      - akarma 5y ago
        The Middle East is very complicated, but this is hard to read as anything but misinformation. In the last legislative election in Palestine, Hamas received 44.45% of the vote to Fatah's 41.43% and gained a majority of the seats in the PLC [1]. Although Palestinian trust levels for Hamas are even slightly lower than Fatah, Hamas's actions over the past month are gaining broad Palestinian support [2]. There's people on both sides who want to see the conflict end, and people on both sides who are approving of the conflict (more so on the Palestinian side which feels scorned over the past 80 years). It is Hamas rocket fire and IDF rocket fire. There are other sides against this conflict and escalation, but to claim that this is not government action or approved of by large swathes of the population is incorrect. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e... [2] https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2021/0517/For-Hamas-the-war-is-in-Gaza-but-Jerusalem-is-the-prize https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2021/0517/For-Ha...
- adambatkin 5y ago
  The Palestinian people definitely deserve sympathy, and I think everyone (even Israelis) agree. The difference of opinion is that some people blame Israel for their problems, while others blame Hamas. Let's be clear though: Anti-zionism is a form of antisemitism. People can rationalize all they want about how/why it isn't, but they would be wrong. You can argue all you want about the policies of the current Israeli government, but anti-zionism is still a form of racism.
  - MikeUt 5y ago
    Is anti-ethno-nationalism still racism when applied to other countries, or just Israel?
    - flyinglizard 5y ago
      Erasing one ethnostate (Israel) for another ethnostate (Palestine) is not racism, is just lack of self awareness.
    - joelbluminator 5y ago
      What other countries is it applied to besides Israel?
  - afiori 5y ago
    There is a difference between Zionism and deleting Palestine and Palestinians from existence.
  - hashbig 5y ago
    Equating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism is a Zionist idea in and of itself. The fact that many Jews are anti-zionists doesn’t help your argument either.
    - jjgreen 5y ago
      The history of anti-semitic Zionism is not too pretty either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
- cvbdfbdfb 5y ago
  I am really surprised to see so many people have hard time understanding Palestinians' position. Like same people proudly proclaim that they will defend their homes by guns. But when Palestinians do it, they are wrong. It is like they think if they even hint at criticizing Israel, they will be labeled anti-semitic or something like that. I really don't think you can have a logical conversation with the most Americans about Palestinians' human rights violations.
lalaland1125 5y ago
There is a particular irony in how this article about the suppression of pro-Palestine sentiment at Google itself got flagged and removed here
- randompwd 5y ago
  There is no irony. This site is not run by Google, Israel or Palestine.
zoobab 5y ago
[flagged] Zenzur

29 points by lalaland1125 5y ago

>A group of Jewish Google employees is calling on the company to increase its support of Palestinians amid Israel’s deadly bombing campaign in Gaza. I don't see how anyone could not support this. Guess I'm biased.

flyinglizard 5y ago
The Israeli Google employees in Google's two Israeli campuses, for instance, who have been under Palestinian rocket fire for about a week now.
- snicker7 5y ago
  *Hamas rocket fire
  - flyinglizard 5y ago
    Hamas is the legitimately elected representative of the Palestinians in Gaza. They were voted into power in 2006 and act as the Gazan sovereign. We can agree on "Gazan rocket fire".
    - snicker7 5y ago
      2006 was 15 years ago
      - chrismcb 5y ago
        And yet that was the last time the was an election (at least for the top officials)
  - Pet_Ant 5y ago
    > *Hamas rocket fire This is the rub really. The militants aren't formally part of the government, the aren't broadly supported, but they are tolerated. People don't fully agree with them... or disagree with them. My mental model is the de facto soft semi-decriminalization of marajuana that was in places in many states before 10 years or so. ...like most of the Middle East: it's complicated.
    - pliny 5y ago
      Hamas is the government in Gaza.
      - Pet_Ant 5y ago
        I was under the impression that the militant wing was only loosely affiliated with the political wing. There was discussion after 2001 when they were updating the list of terrorist organizations.
    - akarma 5y ago
      The Middle East is very complicated, but this is hard to read as anything but misinformation. In the last legislative election in Palestine, Hamas received 44.45% of the vote to Fatah's 41.43% and gained a majority of the seats in the PLC [1]. Although Palestinian trust levels for Hamas are even slightly lower than Fatah, Hamas's actions over the past month are gaining broad Palestinian support [2]. There's people on both sides who want to see the conflict end, and people on both sides who are approving of the conflict (more so on the Palestinian side which feels scorned over the past 80 years). It is Hamas rocket fire and IDF rocket fire. There are other sides against this conflict and escalation, but to claim that this is not government action or approved of by large swathes of the population is incorrect. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e... [2] https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2021/0517/For-Hamas-the-war-is-in-Gaza-but-Jerusalem-is-the-prize https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2021/0517/For-Ha...
adambatkin 5y ago
The Palestinian people definitely deserve sympathy, and I think everyone (even Israelis) agree. The difference of opinion is that some people blame Israel for their problems, while others blame Hamas. Let's be clear though: Anti-zionism is a form of antisemitism. People can rationalize all they want about how/why it isn't, but they would be wrong. You can argue all you want about the policies of the current Israeli government, but anti-zionism is still a form of racism.
- MikeUt 5y ago
  Is anti-ethno-nationalism still racism when applied to other countries, or just Israel?
  - flyinglizard 5y ago
    Erasing one ethnostate (Israel) for another ethnostate (Palestine) is not racism, is just lack of self awareness.
  - joelbluminator 5y ago
    What other countries is it applied to besides Israel?
- afiori 5y ago
  There is a difference between Zionism and deleting Palestine and Palestinians from existence.
- hashbig 5y ago
  Equating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism is a Zionist idea in and of itself. The fact that many Jews are anti-zionists doesn’t help your argument either.
  - jjgreen 5y ago
    The history of anti-semitic Zionism is not too pretty either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
cvbdfbdfb 5y ago
I am really surprised to see so many people have hard time understanding Palestinians' position. Like same people proudly proclaim that they will defend their homes by guns. But when Palestinians do it, they are wrong. It is like they think if they even hint at criticizing Israel, they will be labeled anti-semitic or something like that. I really don't think you can have a logical conversation with the most Americans about Palestinians' human rights violations.

lalaland1125 5y ago

There is a particular irony in how this article about the suppression of pro-Palestine sentiment at Google itself got flagged and removed here

randompwd 5y ago
There is no irony. This site is not run by Google, Israel or Palestine.

zoobab 5y ago

[flagged] Zenzur