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From what I understood of the previous (draft) resignation notes, there was a misunderstanding/disagreement over what (if any) Freenode assets actually belonged

by 88 5y ago

From what I understood of the previous (draft) resignation notes, there was a misunderstanding/disagreement over what (if any) Freenode assets actually belonged to that limited company.

wut42 5y ago
Tomaw fought legally with Lee to get the sale contract from what I've read; and apparently it _does_ legitimately own the network.
- Chris2048 5y ago
  By "network", do you mean the domains? What did the sale contract say?
  - nabakin 5y ago
    He means the irc network. The servers which one connects to when using irc. The freenode network is an irc network that one can connect to in order to chat but there's a freenode domain that acts as a client to the network which it seems freenode Ltd (of which Andrew is now the only member on the board) owns
  - wut42 5y ago
    I mean everything that makes freenode freenode. I don't know what the contract say exactly, but by reading the resignations letters, especially this one https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491 https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bd... : What has become clear to us in the last few days is that we were lied to, by both Andrew and christel. Contrary to public and private statements, the sale included the network as a whole, something christel should not have had the ability to relinquish, as most of the infrastructure is not owned by her or any of us. However, Andrew has more money than us, and so we cannot fight this.
- nabakin 5y ago
  I've read a lot of chat logs and so far I've only seen Andrew try to claim he owns the whole network, domain, copyrights, etc whereas it seems he only owns freenode Ltd which owns the domain that has a client to the irc network. The volunteer staff of the irc network say the irc network itself is hosted on servers owned by sponsors of the network who are not affiliated with freenode Ltd. Up to what I read, they were still trying to figure out if freenode Ltd owned the copyright/trademarks for freenode. Was this from newer chat logs then?
  - wut42 5y ago
    the thing is, IMO, that once Christel shut down the PDPC (the entity behind freenode a long time ago), Freenode just became "Christel" owned. And Christel sold everything under shady reasons (without really saying everything was sold) to Lee. Some resignations letters say that it seems to say this.

by 88 5y ago

From what I understood of the previous (draft) resignation notes, there was a misunderstanding/disagreement over what (if any) Freenode assets actually belonged to that limited company.

wut42 5y ago

Tomaw fought legally with Lee to get the sale contract from what I've read; and apparently it _does_ legitimately own the network.

Chris2048 5y ago
By "network", do you mean the domains? What did the sale contract say?
- nabakin 5y ago
  He means the irc network. The servers which one connects to when using irc. The freenode network is an irc network that one can connect to in order to chat but there's a freenode domain that acts as a client to the network which it seems freenode Ltd (of which Andrew is now the only member on the board) owns
- wut42 5y ago
  I mean everything that makes freenode freenode. I don't know what the contract say exactly, but by reading the resignations letters, especially this one https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491 https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bd... : What has become clear to us in the last few days is that we were lied to, by both Andrew and christel. Contrary to public and private statements, the sale included the network as a whole, something christel should not have had the ability to relinquish, as most of the infrastructure is not owned by her or any of us. However, Andrew has more money than us, and so we cannot fight this.
nabakin 5y ago
I've read a lot of chat logs and so far I've only seen Andrew try to claim he owns the whole network, domain, copyrights, etc whereas it seems he only owns freenode Ltd which owns the domain that has a client to the irc network. The volunteer staff of the irc network say the irc network itself is hosted on servers owned by sponsors of the network who are not affiliated with freenode Ltd. Up to what I read, they were still trying to figure out if freenode Ltd owned the copyright/trademarks for freenode. Was this from newer chat logs then?
- wut42 5y ago
  the thing is, IMO, that once Christel shut down the PDPC (the entity behind freenode a long time ago), Freenode just became "Christel" owned. And Christel sold everything under shady reasons (without really saying everything was sold) to Lee. Some resignations letters say that it seems to say this.