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Yes. Look where it got us: fb, twitter, reddit, etc taking it all over, because people "trust" them - see ominous zuck quote. Why? Because ordinary people need
by pmlnr 5y ago
Yes. Look where it got us: fb, twitter, reddit, etc taking it all over, because people "trust" them - see ominous zuck quote. Why? Because ordinary people need faces and names. So unless libera is aiming for the oldschool nerds, like us, they need to align with 2021.
- politician 5y agoFB requires true names.
- cblconfederate 5y agoFBI can fetch the true names thus nicknames became irrelevant
- pmlnr 5y agoThat's not the point (edit): the only thing I'm missing from libera is an impressum. Mentioning a nameless swedish nonprofit is actually worse in my eyes, than calling it xyz's server in the basement.
- pessimizer 5y agoThat is the point. People don't use Facebook because they like using real names, people use real names on Facebook because they were forced to in order to stay on Facebook. When that Zuck quote happened, Facebook didn't require real names.
- icedchai 5y agoIt actually doesn't. It requires your name look like a true name. I know plenty of folks with fake last names on Facebook.
- qu4z-2 5y agoMy understanding is it requires true names and is unevenly enforced.
- icedchai 5y agoIf it's unevenly enforced, then it's not "required" in any practical sense. Nobody I know has ever been kicked off for a fake but reasonable looking name. Facebook is not a government authority. If you ask for a picture of my ID, I can generate a fake one without consequence.
- qu4z-2 5y agoIt's unevenly enforced, not unenforced. If you're willing to photoshop yourself an ID, then sure, that probably works.
- smhenderson 5y agoSo unless libera is aiming for the oldschool nerds, like us Isn't that exactly who they're aiming for though?
- remram 5y agoFreenode operated this way and failed.
- Macha 5y agoFailed how? Was subjected to a corporate takeover? This happened, but it's hard to see the cause and effect, and the proposed solution is basically to do this out the gate. Didn't become discord? Was that a goal? To be a big VC funded chat service with lots of users and a looming prospect of having to be profitable without losing them. Wasn't a profitable business? It was always intended as a non-profit, and it's not clear they were running out of money to run the network without sponsorship, but rather used it to set up new events like freenode live.
- teachingassist 5y agoYou use and buy things from corporations all the time, without knowing a single name or face behind it. 2021 hasn't changed that.
- GavinMcG 5y agoBut those are isolated transactions, and I can return a product to the store. We're talking about networks and communities here. Those aren't as interchangeable as things we buy.
- dannyw 5y agoThey're pretty interchangeable: "/topic We have moved to irc.alternate.server. Join us in #project".
- munificent 5y ago> without knowing a single name or face behind it. That's because we are ensconced in a framework of corporate and consumer protection laws that makes that generally safe to do and provides legal recourse when it isn't. Even so, fraud and bad experiences with businesses happen all the time.
- FractalHQ 5y agoMeanwhile Discord is one of the most commonly used platforms for young people, where everyone is an anime girl named after their favorite song. I wouldn’t be so sure about your assumption. Facebook is becoming increasingly known as an uncool boomer thing.
- pmlnr 5y agoOK, it looks like nobody understood my point, fascinating. Discord is a company. You can look it up, there are contact points - abuse, legal, etc. People who put their community there trust the entity running Discord. I'd prefer to trust someone I actually know, and with that, I'm fully on board with librachat, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a real, visible legal entity behind them. I was never talking about the community on top of a platform, but the platform itself.