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>no one should be making money off of keeping people in cages. Prison guards should work for free? How about maintenance workers? How about contractors who bui

>no one should be making money off of keeping people in cages. Prison guards should work for free? How about maintenance workers? How about contractors who build the prisons? Are they all incentivized to keep people in prisons? What if a government-run prison outsourced management of prison to an outside company - is that OK? I understand your sentiment, but I think private prisons is one of those non-issues that are blown way out of proportion (like the idea that somehow prisons are full of non-violent drug offenders). Nothing changes if you get rid of private prisons. I suspect you know that because your primary objection is philosophical rather than practical. You just don't like the 'idea' of them. >If we as a society have to do that, fine, but it's unconscionable that it be a profitable venture. Again ... WHY?! Vilifying profit as this great evil is a common trope among the internet intelligentsia. In each case though, the individual exempts their wage and savings (i.e. profit) from this rule.

TchoBeer 5y ago
These are all irrelevant gotchas but also not particularly insightful. >Prison guards should work for free? No, but their employment shouldn't be tied to how many prisoners there are. >How about maintenance workers? Ditto >How about contractors who build the prisons? Hopefully there aren't building companies that would lose out significantly if prisons stopped existing to the point that they'd be incentivized to get more people in prison. >Are they all incentivized to keep people in prisons? I'd hope not, but maybe they are, and if so that's awful. >What if a government-run prison outsourced management of prison to an outside company - is that OK? It would depend on how it's set up, but I think such things do exist and they're usually not much better than private prisons. What's the point of all of these irrelevant questions? Their answers don't affect what we should do about companies profiting off of prison labor, at all. They're irrelevant. >I understand your sentiment, but I think private prisons is one of those non-issues that are blown way out of proportion (like the idea that somehow prisons are full of non-violent drug offenders). Nothing changes if you get rid of private prisons. I suspect you know that because your primary objection is philosophical rather than practical. You just don't like the 'idea' of them. This point would be better made if you had any sources to back this up, at all. Like, I could theoretically try to rebut these points with sources, but then I'd have effectively gotten gish galloped. >Vilifying profit as this great evil is a common trope among the internet intelligentsia. Why are you so quick to defend profit? It's pretty clear to me that allowing companies to profit off of prisoners is a perverse incentive, and the only refutation of that fact you can give is a bunch of irrelevant points, unsourced waxing lyrical about private prisons, and then blandly pointing to "oh you always hate profit". Do you own a prison? Why are you so invested in defending them?
- macspoofing 5y ago
  >These are all irrelevant gotchas but also not particularly insightful. Not irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I understand OPs point, but contracting out services is a very normal government function. And the line OP draws is arbitrary and he only does it for the feels. >Their answers don't affect what we should do about companies profiting off of prison labor, at all. That's not what's happening here. You're distorting for the purpose of an emotional appeal. A government contracts out a service, that's it. And it isn't a cart blanche. The process of how this services is executed, is still regulated by government agencies. The government sets all the rules. >This point would be better made if you had any sources to back this up, at all. I'm not the one making the claim that private prisons are immoral. >Why are you so quick to defend profit? This kind of talk comes from disaffected lefties who want to tare down the capitalist system. There is nothing wrong with profit. If you have an issue with some way that some private enterprise runs the business, then talk specifics, instead of impugning a market economy (what's the alternative? the humanitarian disaster that is socialism every time it's been tried?) >It's pretty clear to me that allowing companies to profit off of prisoners is a perverse incentive That's not clear AT ALL. That's just you engaging in hyperbole based on a hypothetical situation you dreamed up. You don't even know how the system works. It's just all about feels. It's like being against universal healthcare because it means that society is incentivized to euthanize old people lest they be a drag on tax-payers and society. That certainly is an incentive, but not very likely or reasonable in practice. So claiming a hypothetical incentive, is not evidence anything other than your creativity.
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TchoBeer 5y ago

These are all irrelevant gotchas but also not particularly insightful. >Prison guards should work for free? No, but their employment shouldn't be tied to how many prisoners there are. >How about maintenance workers? Ditto >How about contractors who build the prisons? Hopefully there aren't building companies that would lose out significantly if prisons stopped existing to the point that they'd be incentivized to get more people in prison. >Are they all incentivized to keep people in prisons? I'd hope not, but maybe they are, and if so that's awful. >What if a government-run prison outsourced management of prison to an outside company - is that OK? It would depend on how it's set up, but I think such things do exist and they're usually not much better than private prisons. What's the point of all of these irrelevant questions? Their answers don't affect what we should do about companies profiting off of prison labor, at all. They're irrelevant. >I understand your sentiment, but I think private prisons is one of those non-issues that are blown way out of proportion (like the idea that somehow prisons are full of non-violent drug offenders). Nothing changes if you get rid of private prisons. I suspect you know that because your primary objection is philosophical rather than practical. You just don't like the 'idea' of them. This point would be better made if you had any sources to back this up, at all. Like, I could theoretically try to rebut these points with sources, but then I'd have effectively gotten gish galloped. >Vilifying profit as this great evil is a common trope among the internet intelligentsia. Why are you so quick to defend profit? It's pretty clear to me that allowing companies to profit off of prisoners is a perverse incentive, and the only refutation of that fact you can give is a bunch of irrelevant points, unsourced waxing lyrical about private prisons, and then blandly pointing to "oh you always hate profit". Do you own a prison? Why are you so invested in defending them?

macspoofing 5y ago
>These are all irrelevant gotchas but also not particularly insightful. Not irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I understand OPs point, but contracting out services is a very normal government function. And the line OP draws is arbitrary and he only does it for the feels. >Their answers don't affect what we should do about companies profiting off of prison labor, at all. That's not what's happening here. You're distorting for the purpose of an emotional appeal. A government contracts out a service, that's it. And it isn't a cart blanche. The process of how this services is executed, is still regulated by government agencies. The government sets all the rules. >This point would be better made if you had any sources to back this up, at all. I'm not the one making the claim that private prisons are immoral. >Why are you so quick to defend profit? This kind of talk comes from disaffected lefties who want to tare down the capitalist system. There is nothing wrong with profit. If you have an issue with some way that some private enterprise runs the business, then talk specifics, instead of impugning a market economy (what's the alternative? the humanitarian disaster that is socialism every time it's been tried?) >It's pretty clear to me that allowing companies to profit off of prisoners is a perverse incentive That's not clear AT ALL. That's just you engaging in hyperbole based on a hypothetical situation you dreamed up. You don't even know how the system works. It's just all about feels. It's like being against universal healthcare because it means that society is incentivized to euthanize old people lest they be a drag on tax-payers and society. That certainly is an incentive, but not very likely or reasonable in practice. So claiming a hypothetical incentive, is not evidence anything other than your creativity.

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