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I don't really see this as a valid criticism of the list though. A person identified a bunch of ways they are not like almost all of the rest of their coworkers

I don't really see this as a valid criticism of the list though. A person identified a bunch of ways they are not like almost all of the rest of their coworkers. Do they have the information, experience, or responsibility to accurately categorize the specific cultural origin of every single one of those differences? Does it make the argument weaker if they miss a couple? Maybe a little but it's still strong.

culturestate 5y ago
I don't want to trivialize what the author is feeling, but when the conclusion they draw is... > Because they have never been poor, they had no idea what I might do. Why would I steal, when everyone clearly has enough? What even is scarcity? Why drink yourself to death tonight when there’s another sponsored event a week from now? Why eat like there will never be enough, when there has always been more than enough? ...I think it's worth discussing whether they may have misidentified the real root cause.
- 8fGTBjZxBcHq 5y ago
  I was trying to be nice. It's worth discussing I just don't think you contributed anything useful to the conversation with that comment. To me it reads like you're dismissing the author's experiences based on a technicality, rather than engaging with them on their terms and merits.
  - Kalium 5y ago
    Do you think it might be possible to appreciate the reality and sincerity of someone's experiences while also questioning the validity of their interpretations? Would this be a form of substantive engagement on the merits of the piece? Personally, I see someone describing a number of points of cultural difference and an author who wholeheartedly believes they have identified the root of all of them. Is it worth discussing that the real, indisputably valid lived experience of the author, might also be linked to other things?
    - 8fGTBjZxBcHq 5y ago
      Yeah I think I've been pretty clear that I think that conversation is possible and also that I think that is not the conversation that is happening in this thread.
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
> Does it make the argument weaker if they miss a couple? Maybe a little but it's still strong. What if they miss almost every single one? That's how it reads to me, for almost every job I've had. That's why people are reacting like they are to the article.

culturestate 5y ago

I don't want to trivialize what the author is feeling, but when the conclusion they draw is... > Because they have never been poor, they had no idea what I might do. Why would I steal, when everyone clearly has enough? What even is scarcity? Why drink yourself to death tonight when there’s another sponsored event a week from now? Why eat like there will never be enough, when there has always been more than enough? ...I think it's worth discussing whether they may have misidentified the real root cause.

8fGTBjZxBcHq 5y ago
I was trying to be nice. It's worth discussing I just don't think you contributed anything useful to the conversation with that comment. To me it reads like you're dismissing the author's experiences based on a technicality, rather than engaging with them on their terms and merits.
- Kalium 5y ago
  Do you think it might be possible to appreciate the reality and sincerity of someone's experiences while also questioning the validity of their interpretations? Would this be a form of substantive engagement on the merits of the piece? Personally, I see someone describing a number of points of cultural difference and an author who wholeheartedly believes they have identified the root of all of them. Is it worth discussing that the real, indisputably valid lived experience of the author, might also be linked to other things?
  - 8fGTBjZxBcHq 5y ago
    Yeah I think I've been pretty clear that I think that conversation is possible and also that I think that is not the conversation that is happening in this thread.

6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago

> Does it make the argument weaker if they miss a couple? Maybe a little but it's still strong. What if they miss almost every single one? That's how it reads to me, for almost every job I've had. That's why people are reacting like they are to the article.