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> Does this account for the goods exported from China to the US? These should be added to the emissions caused by the US. No they shouldn't, China sells produc

> Does this account for the goods exported from China to the US? These should be added to the emissions caused by the US. No they shouldn't, China sells products in the global market. The emissions belong to them, along with the price they charge for the product. > The west exported much of their environmental problems to poorer nations, including China. Well, globalist corporations and politicians exported their environmental problems, I agree. The solution is not to give dirty polluting countries a free pass, it is to account for the externalities in tariffs.

chopin 5y ago
> No they shouldn't, China sells products in the global market. The emissions belong to them, along with the price they charge for the product. Well, emissions caused by burning oil would belong to Saudi Arabia, then. I believe the ultimate consumer of a product bears responsibility for its emissions. Without a consumer, the product would not have been made.
- spankyspangler 5y ago
  Of course it does. Not much US oil usage, of course, because US uses oil extracted domestically. And most of China's carbon emissions come from burning coal not oil, and almost all of that coal is mined domestically. But Saudi should not get a free pass either, and should be made to pay for its profiteering from carbon pollution along with all other people, corporations, and countries accordingly.
- LocalH 5y ago
  >I believe the ultimate consumer of a product bears responsibility for its emissions. Without a consumer, the product would not have been made. That's a nice way to pass the buck from the executives who actually make the decisions
- spankyspangler 5y ago
  Not sure if you're editing your comment or I didn't read it entirely before. And your last sentence is not some kind of proof of your belief. Without a dirty cheap producer then a cleaner producer who has paid for the environmental externalities they created might have made the product.

chopin 5y ago

> No they shouldn't, China sells products in the global market. The emissions belong to them, along with the price they charge for the product. Well, emissions caused by burning oil would belong to Saudi Arabia, then. I believe the ultimate consumer of a product bears responsibility for its emissions. Without a consumer, the product would not have been made.

spankyspangler 5y ago
Of course it does. Not much US oil usage, of course, because US uses oil extracted domestically. And most of China's carbon emissions come from burning coal not oil, and almost all of that coal is mined domestically. But Saudi should not get a free pass either, and should be made to pay for its profiteering from carbon pollution along with all other people, corporations, and countries accordingly.
LocalH 5y ago
>I believe the ultimate consumer of a product bears responsibility for its emissions. Without a consumer, the product would not have been made. That's a nice way to pass the buck from the executives who actually make the decisions
spankyspangler 5y ago
Not sure if you're editing your comment or I didn't read it entirely before. And your last sentence is not some kind of proof of your belief. Without a dirty cheap producer then a cleaner producer who has paid for the environmental externalities they created might have made the product.