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So, is it too crazy to think that prisoners need to pay for the accommodation, food, electricity, water, etc. that they receive while being in prison?

Ekaros 5y ago
I find that bit crazy. It is local society's wish to imprison them, and thus deprive them from opportunity to earn money to pay those things on open market. Thus it should be up to them to provide them with that, that is if they want them to be imprisoned. They could just let them go free, or excommunicate them...
- dandellion 5y ago
  That's a weird thing to say. Do people in the US go around wishing prison for others? Here it's more like society is cornered into imprisoning some people in self-defense, because it hasn't figured out how to get those individuals to collaborate and live cordially with others.
  - gbear605 5y ago
    Ah yes, I really hate it when we have to put people in jail to protect ourselves from checks notes them smoking a joint.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
    >Do people in the US go around wishing prison for others? Yes. Lock her "Hillary Clinton" up, and lock him "Donald trump" up are very real wishes of many Americans. The war on drugs, poverty, and in general garbage tvlike live pd, Jerry Springer, dr Phil, has helped to breed this retributional bent into American culture.
- kwanbix 5y ago
  Society don't "wish to imprison them" they go to prison to pay for a debt with society. Society wishes that nobody committed crimes so there where no prisons. At least I believe so.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
    It is societies responsibility to nurture law abiding citizens. Thus, criminals are societies burden to bear, for the unimprisoneds failings.
    - kwanbix 5y ago
      Really? I thought it was the parents responsibility. Of course schools have a part on it, but "society"? How would you do that? Please elaborate.
      - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
        "It takes a village to raise a child" -African proverb https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_village https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_village >"Many adults who have experienced disrupted or deficient attachments when young will, from whatever source, find sufficient resilience to grow into well-balanced adults." We, all off us as society, have a role to play in ensuring that all people are sufficiently resilient. Furthermore, to breed this resiliency we must all occasionally make sacrifices so that those with great need do not suffer neglect. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247755669_Using_attachment_theory_with_offenders https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247755669_Using_att... For a practical discussion we can look at community crime prevention. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Crime_Prevention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Crime_Prevention Ultimately, we can pay for success on the front end (prevention) or failure on the back end (imprisonment). >"The sooner at-risk students are identified, the more likely that preventative "remediation" measures will be effective." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-risk_students https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-risk_students
Aunche 5y ago
I agree that it makes sense for these costs to be factored into a prisoner's pay, since everyone else needs to pay these expenses. That might make a case for someone being paid $3 a hour, not 30 cents an hour. Also, in this case, the savings are passed to private businesses rather than the taxpayers.
- kwanbix 5y ago
  The savings part you are right. They should go back to the taxpayers or ONGs.

Ekaros 5y ago

I find that bit crazy. It is local society's wish to imprison them, and thus deprive them from opportunity to earn money to pay those things on open market. Thus it should be up to them to provide them with that, that is if they want them to be imprisoned. They could just let them go free, or excommunicate them...

dandellion 5y ago
That's a weird thing to say. Do people in the US go around wishing prison for others? Here it's more like society is cornered into imprisoning some people in self-defense, because it hasn't figured out how to get those individuals to collaborate and live cordially with others.
- gbear605 5y ago
  Ah yes, I really hate it when we have to put people in jail to protect ourselves from checks notes them smoking a joint.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
  >Do people in the US go around wishing prison for others? Yes. Lock her "Hillary Clinton" up, and lock him "Donald trump" up are very real wishes of many Americans. The war on drugs, poverty, and in general garbage tvlike live pd, Jerry Springer, dr Phil, has helped to breed this retributional bent into American culture.
kwanbix 5y ago
Society don't "wish to imprison them" they go to prison to pay for a debt with society. Society wishes that nobody committed crimes so there where no prisons. At least I believe so.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
  It is societies responsibility to nurture law abiding citizens. Thus, criminals are societies burden to bear, for the unimprisoneds failings.
  - kwanbix 5y ago
    Really? I thought it was the parents responsibility. Of course schools have a part on it, but "society"? How would you do that? Please elaborate.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
      "It takes a village to raise a child" -African proverb https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_village https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_village >"Many adults who have experienced disrupted or deficient attachments when young will, from whatever source, find sufficient resilience to grow into well-balanced adults." We, all off us as society, have a role to play in ensuring that all people are sufficiently resilient. Furthermore, to breed this resiliency we must all occasionally make sacrifices so that those with great need do not suffer neglect. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247755669_Using_attachment_theory_with_offenders https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247755669_Using_att... For a practical discussion we can look at community crime prevention. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Crime_Prevention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Crime_Prevention Ultimately, we can pay for success on the front end (prevention) or failure on the back end (imprisonment). >"The sooner at-risk students are identified, the more likely that preventative "remediation" measures will be effective." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-risk_students https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-risk_students

Aunche 5y ago

I agree that it makes sense for these costs to be factored into a prisoner's pay, since everyone else needs to pay these expenses. That might make a case for someone being paid $3 a hour, not 30 cents an hour. Also, in this case, the savings are passed to private businesses rather than the taxpayers.

kwanbix 5y ago
The savings part you are right. They should go back to the taxpayers or ONGs.