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I find the principle of a "health pass" a little disturbing. Do we want to live in a society where we have to prove something about our health in order to atten
by iamarealperson 5y ago
I find the principle of a "health pass" a little disturbing. Do we want to live in a society where we have to prove something about our health in order to attend events ?
- mam3 5y agoIts been the case internationally for decades. Yellow fever in african countries for example
- lovasoa 5y agoShowing a pass every time you attend any kind of event is a bit more intrusive. But in the end, I do agree with you that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the approach.
- preordained 5y agoYellow fever is debilitating at a very high rate...
- elcomet 5y agoCovid is highly lethal for some category of people..
- preordained 5y agoNote: I corrected my comment to say "debilitating", although relatively "lethal" is probably not inaccurate. Is not the vaccine available for anyone who wants it? The point of the Yellow Fever vaccine is to get it when traveling to a country where it is prevalent and you don't have the immunity of the local population, and not to bring it back to an unprotected population.
- elcomet 5y agoSo I'm not sure what your point is. Both diseases are dangerous. Yellow fever vaccine is mandatory when you travel in a country with high risk. Covid vaccine will be mandatory when you want to go in situations / places with high risk. So why would you be against covid health pass and not yellow fever health pass ?
- mam3 5y agoHe is saying in general YF vaccine is mandatory when you PASS THROUGH a high risk country (such as kenya) BEFORE going to the coubtry requiring the vaccine (such as tanzania)
- highmastdon 5y agoWhich properties define that category? Edit: the weak and frail, the ones with multiple comorbidities (avg 4)? The ones that are vulnerable for any virus in general?
- nicoburns 5y agoI think there's a distinction to be made between diseases that are infectious and those that are not. If you have cancer and you want to attend an event, that's nobody's business because they're not going to catch it from you. If however the disease you have is serious and highly-transmissible then that's another matter entirely.
- mytailorisrich 5y agoIn general no, we don't. But pragmatically in the current circumstances this seems to be the best option (or least bad) until things are sorted.
- SpaceNinja 5y agoDo you think governments are going to give up their power after implementing digital passes?
- mytailorisrich 5y agoYes. There is no reason for people to keep being tested all the time for Covid if/when that is no longer a risk. Once/if the risk has passed this will all stop because there is neither a justification nor value for governments to continue. It's a little paranoid to claim that governments are continuously trying to create totalitarian states. Or that, in any case, they can do what they want, they can't. We already see that with all the debates on these passes and safety measures put in place. They are a hard sell to the public and everyone's watching. There is already huge pressure not to have them for a day longer than absolutely necessary and politically governments will have to stop as soon as possible.
- nanis 5y ago> It's a little paranoid to claim that governments are continuously trying to create totalitarian states. What in human history makes you think that?
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- SpaceNinja 5y agoThere is evidence of governments using power beyond their intended use to create totalitarian states.
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- underdeserver 5y agoIf the alternative is death, sure.
- stdclass 5y agoWhich it certainly is not, if you look at the numbers.
- maxerickson 5y agoPeople sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.
- idoubtit 5y agoPeople who drive (especially SUV) will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.
- maxerickson 5y agoSure, we make all sorts of trade offs. The other poster is arguing that people should people able to choose for themselves whether they risk infection, which isn't the point of these passes, they are a community health measure.
- input_sh 5y agoCars don't infect other cars on the road.
- preordained 5y agoNeither do people anymore, or at least those who aren't comfortable with that risk, since the vaccine is widely available for all... If the vaccine works, why in the world do you care who doesn't want to take it?
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- dzhiurgis 5y agoYes. Are you familiar with what public health is? Such restrictions are so people are encouraged to get vaccinated. Taking something away so far is most effective way to convince people.
- hntroll1221 5y agoThat'd be placing people under duress to undergo a medical procedure, which is a violation of the Nuremberg Code. Leftists are going for internal passport systems and repeating the mistakes of the Nazis. How much more would a reasonable person need to see before becoming concerned about the direction of the world lately?
- DanBC 5y ago> Leftists are going for internal passport systems and repeating the mistakes of the Nazis. You lose any credibility when you compare compulsory vaccination to genocidal campaigns that killed 6-7million Jewish people and 2-4million disabled people, lgbt people, and Gypsy, Roma and Traveller people.
- ForHackernews 5y agoGoing to a football match is not a human right. I don't see any problem with requiring vaccinations before attending big crowded events with lots of people.
- frenchman99 5y agoThat's not what "convincing" is. That's "coercing". If you want to convince, do it with data and logic, not by taking away rights.
- DeliriumTrigger 5y agoI guess you never traveled internationally or to countries which have mandatory vaccinations. Polio, Yellow Fever etc.
- raverbashing 5y agoYes I do want the events that I attend to not be attended by self-centered people who think "their rights" (to an enclosed space during a pandemic) trump the collective safety of the place. So no, what I do find disturbing is that some people prefer to spread deadly diseases because they can't be bothered with the collective
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- tdeck 5y agoI already have to show my ID to get into some events, and that has my full name, DoB, weight, address, and organ donor status on it. Date of vaccination hardly seems more sensitive than any of those. I could certainly imagine categories of health data that raise concerns but honestly this isn't it.