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I actually know people that had some business inside prison in EU country and the experience was that there were more prisoners asking to be working than it was

by miskin 5y ago

I actually know people that had some business inside prison in EU country and the experience was that there were more prisoners asking to be working than it was possible to use. Main driving force was that time passes faster when you are busy, with another advantage that earned money could be used to buy some extra goods. Also, some of the former prisoners continued to work in that company once their prison time was over, so it was really good help in transition to freedom. Since prison work is voluntary, there is not much space for exploitation.

sokoloff 5y ago
There’s clearly space for exploitation if you allow the overall system to adjust the number of people becoming prisoners.
- jiofih 5y ago
  That’s mostly a North American problem though, the commenter is from the EU. Work is opt-in.
bryanrasmussen 5y ago
>I actually know people that had some business inside prison in EU country ok but there does seem to be some perception in the world that the prisons in the U.S might be slightly lacking in some of the human rights protections found in EU prisons - you are aware of this concern right? >Since prison work is voluntary, there is not much space for exploitation. Again, speaking about the U.S, and I know that in Utah prison work is not exactly voluntary in that the parole board has power to release or make stay to your maximum sentence - so in Utah you go in with a possible 1-15 years, if the parole board wants to let you go in 1 year you can go (but of course be on parole and get pulled back in again later if considered necessary), so how do you get the parole board to consider letting you out in 1 year instead of 15 - well you get a job and work every day and show them that you are good. Other tools are of course used for compliance and to make people work. This is of course one state and things vary by state the American system, but there are plenty of states considered much worse than Utah for prisoner exploitation so in conclusion, I know things are great in the EU is not going to calm any worries in a discussion about the US.
- miskin 5y ago
  I agree, that's why I chose to include info about EU, and of course my comment is meant to be just one extra data point. Definitely there will be huge differences around the world, but prison work may not always equal to exploitation.

by miskin 5y ago

sokoloff 5y ago

There’s clearly space for exploitation if you allow the overall system to adjust the number of people becoming prisoners.

jiofih 5y ago
That’s mostly a North American problem though, the commenter is from the EU. Work is opt-in.

bryanrasmussen 5y ago

>I actually know people that had some business inside prison in EU country ok but there does seem to be some perception in the world that the prisons in the U.S might be slightly lacking in some of the human rights protections found in EU prisons - you are aware of this concern right? >Since prison work is voluntary, there is not much space for exploitation. Again, speaking about the U.S, and I know that in Utah prison work is not exactly voluntary in that the parole board has power to release or make stay to your maximum sentence - so in Utah you go in with a possible 1-15 years, if the parole board wants to let you go in 1 year you can go (but of course be on parole and get pulled back in again later if considered necessary), so how do you get the parole board to consider letting you out in 1 year instead of 15 - well you get a job and work every day and show them that you are good. Other tools are of course used for compliance and to make people work. This is of course one state and things vary by state the American system, but there are plenty of states considered much worse than Utah for prisoner exploitation so in conclusion, I know things are great in the EU is not going to calm any worries in a discussion about the US.

miskin 5y ago
I agree, that's why I chose to include info about EU, and of course my comment is meant to be just one extra data point. Definitely there will be huge differences around the world, but prison work may not always equal to exploitation.