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"demanding the tech behemoth provide relief to Palestinians suffering from the ongoing humanitarian crises" Why don't these 250,000+ per year employees live on

"demanding the tech behemoth provide relief to Palestinians suffering from the ongoing humanitarian crises" Why don't these 250,000+ per year employees live on 50,000 per year and donate the rest?

rvz 5y ago
Good Question.
2Gkashmiri 5y ago
Is this 200k donation going to force IDF to stop bombing children ? If yes then they will gladly do it but if not then the problem lies elsewhere. Stop this nonsense about somehow Israel for all their misdeeds and war crimes should be given a free pass because they were subject to same or even more war crimes half a century ago ? So they are doing to others what was done to them, and yet if anyone speaks "hh", that person us called a Holocaust denier. Ignoring the Holocaust they are engaged in TODAY. Yesterday or a day before, some actress was shamed by official Israel account when she spoke for Palestine cause. What? What kind of bs is this?
- Google234 5y ago
  1st step should be to eliminate Hamas.
  - modo_mario 5y ago
    How are they going to disappear when they're embedded in the population which isn't exactly spread out. Which isn't gonna push them out themselves when they're being ethnically cleansed from their home in many places. Israel helped nurture the Hamas of today to deal with the PLO/Fatah but regardless of whether they expected it to become what it did they won't bomb it out of existence.
    - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
      Maybe israel should stop with its apartheid policies in the first place and stop murdering children and stop expanding settlements and take responsibility of the crimes against humanity they have carried out over last 50 odd years and let Palestinians back into their homes. Maybe then there wont be a need for Hamas
      - Google234 5y ago
        If you mean let Palestinians back into their homes as opening up Israel the you are essentially destroying Israel is a state.
        2Gkashmiri 5y ago
        So the existence of "Israel as a state" depends on Palestinians not living like humans on their own lands. Wow. That is some top level bs. I need to ask you, how about a bully takes over your home, throws you out on the street and cries self defense if you fight back. What do you do? I am asking you in particular.
        Google234 5y ago
        No, I was assuming you were pushing for a “right of return” to Israel.
        2Gkashmiri 5y ago
        you didnt answer my question
        2Gkashmiri 5y ago
        You still havent answered my question. I thought you were eager to please your Israeli overlords but Alas.
    - Google234 5y ago
      The nazis are mostly gone from Germany now, it’s possible.
      - modo_mario 5y ago
        Germany is still a country now. With fixed borders too. Germans didn't get pushed out over many years in some quest for lebensraum by Russia or so.
        Google234 5y ago
        I wouldn’t call east Germany a real country.
  - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
    So Hamas was "invented" in 1987. What about before that? Who was the enemy of IDF that demanded their creation, their need to pursue apartheid against Palestinians ? So assume Hamas winds down operations today, will IDF stop their bombings, stop settlements? Stop murdering children? Stop violating UN resolutions on war crimes and crimes against humanity and their expansion plan into occupied territories? Will Israel give back Palestinians the land they forcefully took from them since 1947? Where does Hamas even come into the picture you baffoon
  - sa-mao 5y ago
    That would be unreasonable, why would Israel compromise if they don't have any pressure whatsoever, international or internal. Especially with the current right wing dominance of politics in Israel and the foolish attempts at slow annexation of the West Bank. The Palestinian's interests is into keeping and nurturing a strong resistance until there is a real support from the USA for a reasonable peace process.
- Udik 5y ago
  > because they were subject to same or even more war crimes half a century ago The lesson of the 20th century was "you won't demonize, oppress, chase away or murder a population" but it seems about half of the people got their brains overfitted and what they've learned is just "you won't demonize, oppress, chase away or murder the Jews, but with everybody else is just fine".
  - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
    Yes. Because Israel is the aggressor, they have a right to defend themselves against any protest against their aggression and that protest is an act of terror, because the aggressor is Israel.
getcrunk 5y ago
I mean one can apply this rhetoric ad nauseam to all attempts of influencing change. Good job. If only Rosa parks listened to you. (I am not comparing the Israel/Palestine conflict to the American civil rights movement. I am only making a general comment on the rhetoric. )
black_puppydog 5y ago
Right. If ever there was a field where individual responsibility trumps collective action it would be war and humanitarian crisis... /s
foerbert 5y ago
There are multiple good reasons. Relative pain. The same amount of money has far more substantial effects on an individual than Google. You could live in complete squalor for amounts that Google might not even notice missing. Ability to contribute. Even the bulk of the salary of 250 Google employees pales in comparison to Google's budget for this kind of thing. Getting Google to act could easily end with a large total contribution. Time. Presumably these 250 people have not been living on 50k a year with the intention to find some cause to throw literally all of their savings at. It may well take a year for them to contribute as much as you're suggesting. Public perception. Google doing a thing is not at all the same as a group of Google employees doing a thing. One would be far more influential than the other. Other corporations. Once Google does a thing, it is far easier for other corporations to follow suit. Not only is it simply easier to sell - I mean Google did it, it can't be that bad of an idea right? - it's more than possible that Google taking a stand would apply pressure to other corporations to do the same. They wouldn't want to be morally inferior to Google now would they? So, off the top of my head... yeah there's more than a few good reasons for trying to move Google like this. And who says none of these people haven't donated what money they could currently afford to? I don't know how we'd even know that.
- higerordermap 5y ago
  You left out wokeism from the list.
jhanschoo 5y ago
These statement assumes that said employees don't already plan to donate their money. I'd note too that on the individual level, the risk calculus shifts. There is a good case for earmarking charity money (allowing use of it for personal emergencies) and leaving them in your own investments and dedicating them upon death, rather than committing them immediately to your favorite cause of the day.
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"demanding the tech behemoth provide relief to Palestinians suffering from the ongoing humanitarian crises" Why don't these 250,000+ per year employees live on 50,000 per year and donate the rest?

rvz 5y ago

Good Question.

2Gkashmiri 5y ago

Is this 200k donation going to force IDF to stop bombing children ? If yes then they will gladly do it but if not then the problem lies elsewhere. Stop this nonsense about somehow Israel for all their misdeeds and war crimes should be given a free pass because they were subject to same or even more war crimes half a century ago ? So they are doing to others what was done to them, and yet if anyone speaks "hh", that person us called a Holocaust denier. Ignoring the Holocaust they are engaged in TODAY. Yesterday or a day before, some actress was shamed by official Israel account when she spoke for Palestine cause. What? What kind of bs is this?

Google234 5y ago
1st step should be to eliminate Hamas.
- modo_mario 5y ago
  How are they going to disappear when they're embedded in the population which isn't exactly spread out. Which isn't gonna push them out themselves when they're being ethnically cleansed from their home in many places. Israel helped nurture the Hamas of today to deal with the PLO/Fatah but regardless of whether they expected it to become what it did they won't bomb it out of existence.
  - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
    Maybe israel should stop with its apartheid policies in the first place and stop murdering children and stop expanding settlements and take responsibility of the crimes against humanity they have carried out over last 50 odd years and let Palestinians back into their homes. Maybe then there wont be a need for Hamas
    - Google234 5y ago
      If you mean let Palestinians back into their homes as opening up Israel the you are essentially destroying Israel is a state.
      - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
        So the existence of "Israel as a state" depends on Palestinians not living like humans on their own lands. Wow. That is some top level bs. I need to ask you, how about a bully takes over your home, throws you out on the street and cries self defense if you fight back. What do you do? I am asking you in particular.
        Google234 5y ago
        No, I was assuming you were pushing for a “right of return” to Israel.
        2Gkashmiri 5y ago
        you didnt answer my question
        2Gkashmiri 5y ago
        You still havent answered my question. I thought you were eager to please your Israeli overlords but Alas.
  - Google234 5y ago
    The nazis are mostly gone from Germany now, it’s possible.
    - modo_mario 5y ago
      Germany is still a country now. With fixed borders too. Germans didn't get pushed out over many years in some quest for lebensraum by Russia or so.
      - Google234 5y ago
        I wouldn’t call east Germany a real country.
- 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
  So Hamas was "invented" in 1987. What about before that? Who was the enemy of IDF that demanded their creation, their need to pursue apartheid against Palestinians ? So assume Hamas winds down operations today, will IDF stop their bombings, stop settlements? Stop murdering children? Stop violating UN resolutions on war crimes and crimes against humanity and their expansion plan into occupied territories? Will Israel give back Palestinians the land they forcefully took from them since 1947? Where does Hamas even come into the picture you baffoon
- sa-mao 5y ago
  That would be unreasonable, why would Israel compromise if they don't have any pressure whatsoever, international or internal. Especially with the current right wing dominance of politics in Israel and the foolish attempts at slow annexation of the West Bank. The Palestinian's interests is into keeping and nurturing a strong resistance until there is a real support from the USA for a reasonable peace process.
Udik 5y ago
> because they were subject to same or even more war crimes half a century ago The lesson of the 20th century was "you won't demonize, oppress, chase away or murder a population" but it seems about half of the people got their brains overfitted and what they've learned is just "you won't demonize, oppress, chase away or murder the Jews, but with everybody else is just fine".
- 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
  Yes. Because Israel is the aggressor, they have a right to defend themselves against any protest against their aggression and that protest is an act of terror, because the aggressor is Israel.

getcrunk 5y ago

I mean one can apply this rhetoric ad nauseam to all attempts of influencing change. Good job. If only Rosa parks listened to you. (I am not comparing the Israel/Palestine conflict to the American civil rights movement. I am only making a general comment on the rhetoric. )

black_puppydog 5y ago

Right. If ever there was a field where individual responsibility trumps collective action it would be war and humanitarian crisis... /s

foerbert 5y ago

There are multiple good reasons. Relative pain. The same amount of money has far more substantial effects on an individual than Google. You could live in complete squalor for amounts that Google might not even notice missing. Ability to contribute. Even the bulk of the salary of 250 Google employees pales in comparison to Google's budget for this kind of thing. Getting Google to act could easily end with a large total contribution. Time. Presumably these 250 people have not been living on 50k a year with the intention to find some cause to throw literally all of their savings at. It may well take a year for them to contribute as much as you're suggesting. Public perception. Google doing a thing is not at all the same as a group of Google employees doing a thing. One would be far more influential than the other. Other corporations. Once Google does a thing, it is far easier for other corporations to follow suit. Not only is it simply easier to sell - I mean Google did it, it can't be that bad of an idea right? - it's more than possible that Google taking a stand would apply pressure to other corporations to do the same. They wouldn't want to be morally inferior to Google now would they? So, off the top of my head... yeah there's more than a few good reasons for trying to move Google like this. And who says none of these people haven't donated what money they could currently afford to? I don't know how we'd even know that.

higerordermap 5y ago
You left out wokeism from the list.

jhanschoo 5y ago

These statement assumes that said employees don't already plan to donate their money. I'd note too that on the individual level, the risk calculus shifts. There is a good case for earmarking charity money (allowing use of it for personal emergencies) and leaving them in your own investments and dedicating them upon death, rather than committing them immediately to your favorite cause of the day.

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