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Nazism is fundamentally evil. Author tries to highlight that there are certain types of people that would get attracted. You can see this first hand with softer

Nazism is fundamentally evil. Author tries to highlight that there are certain types of people that would get attracted. You can see this first hand with softer version - Trumpism, immigrants from Latin America supporting Trump as you had Jewish supporting Hitler.

refurb 5y ago
You just proved their point. Not much has changed in 70 years - still plenty of self-appointed “educated elite” who are more than happy to explain why other people are wrong yet never turn that same filter on themselves. Their bubble and isolation (“he had a classical education”) has left them so out of touch with the life of the common man that they can’t fathom any explanation for their beliefs but character weakness and ignorance. All while ignoring their own blind spots.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  Article: > Their race, color, creed, or social condition is not the criterion (to go Nazi). It is something in them. Grandparent comment: > Author tries to highlight that there are certain types of people that would get attracted. If you disagree with that, what do you suggest as an alternative explanation?
  - michaelbuddy 5y ago
    There's no need to provide "alternative" theories to clumsy pointless articles. That kind of clutter just needs to be pointed out for its foolishness and ignored, nothing more.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      I'm interested in alternative theories of this kind of social movement and who signs up for it, article or not. Or rather, I would be interested in alternative theories, if I thought that the article was fundamentally wrong rather than just a bit dated in the presentation; understandably so as it was written 80 years ago. Any thoughts? Or should we say that it's just random who signs up?
TheManInThePub 5y ago
> Nazism is fundamentally evil. Be careful with such statements. Describing something/someone as "fundamentally" evil obscures the fact that things (like extremist politics) happen for reasons. It is these reasons that if addressed, can put a stop to such unpleasantness occurring.
- Peritract 5y ago
  Nazism is a genocidal ideology; it's fundamentally evil. The individual reasons for a specific person to ascribe to such an ideology are complex and worthy of study, and if the quoted statement had been 'any individual member of a fascist ideology is fundamentally evil', then sure - let's pull in the nuance. But that's not the case here - we aren't talking about individuals, or general social movements, or something else that requires such consideration. We're talking about a very specific ideology. Nazism - the ideology itself - is not a redeemable thing; it's an ideology inextricably tied to a laundry list of horrific acts. It's absolutely fine to declare it evil.
platinumrad 5y ago
> Nazism is fundamentally evil. No disagreement there but I don't think it's good or insightful to assert that the people you find to be personally distasteful are the same people who are likely to associate themselves with evil. Quite the opposite actually!
- chrisco255 5y ago
  Didn't basically the entire country of Germany fall for it with few exceptions? You think they were evil or just misguided? Maybe they thought they were doing the right thing?
  - ljp_206 5y ago
    It's not that simple. Among many other factors, Hitler was small potatoes until it was advantageous to those in power to start givig him more power, including the capitalist classes who saw a choice between bolshevism and the NSDAP, and chose the Nazis.

refurb 5y ago

You just proved their point. Not much has changed in 70 years - still plenty of self-appointed “educated elite” who are more than happy to explain why other people are wrong yet never turn that same filter on themselves. Their bubble and isolation (“he had a classical education”) has left them so out of touch with the life of the common man that they can’t fathom any explanation for their beliefs but character weakness and ignorance. All while ignoring their own blind spots.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
Article: > Their race, color, creed, or social condition is not the criterion (to go Nazi). It is something in them. Grandparent comment: > Author tries to highlight that there are certain types of people that would get attracted. If you disagree with that, what do you suggest as an alternative explanation?
- michaelbuddy 5y ago
  There's no need to provide "alternative" theories to clumsy pointless articles. That kind of clutter just needs to be pointed out for its foolishness and ignored, nothing more.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    I'm interested in alternative theories of this kind of social movement and who signs up for it, article or not. Or rather, I would be interested in alternative theories, if I thought that the article was fundamentally wrong rather than just a bit dated in the presentation; understandably so as it was written 80 years ago. Any thoughts? Or should we say that it's just random who signs up?

TheManInThePub 5y ago

> Nazism is fundamentally evil. Be careful with such statements. Describing something/someone as "fundamentally" evil obscures the fact that things (like extremist politics) happen for reasons. It is these reasons that if addressed, can put a stop to such unpleasantness occurring.

Peritract 5y ago
Nazism is a genocidal ideology; it's fundamentally evil. The individual reasons for a specific person to ascribe to such an ideology are complex and worthy of study, and if the quoted statement had been 'any individual member of a fascist ideology is fundamentally evil', then sure - let's pull in the nuance. But that's not the case here - we aren't talking about individuals, or general social movements, or something else that requires such consideration. We're talking about a very specific ideology. Nazism - the ideology itself - is not a redeemable thing; it's an ideology inextricably tied to a laundry list of horrific acts. It's absolutely fine to declare it evil.

platinumrad 5y ago

> Nazism is fundamentally evil. No disagreement there but I don't think it's good or insightful to assert that the people you find to be personally distasteful are the same people who are likely to associate themselves with evil. Quite the opposite actually!

chrisco255 5y ago
Didn't basically the entire country of Germany fall for it with few exceptions? You think they were evil or just misguided? Maybe they thought they were doing the right thing?
- ljp_206 5y ago
  It's not that simple. Among many other factors, Hitler was small potatoes until it was advantageous to those in power to start givig him more power, including the capitalist classes who saw a choice between bolshevism and the NSDAP, and chose the Nazis.