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I thought dreams only happen durring rem and you are paralyzed durring rem stages. So you wouldn't be physically reacting to anything. I think those movements o

by tayo42 5y ago

I thought dreams only happen durring rem and you are paralyzed durring rem stages. So you wouldn't be physically reacting to anything. I think those movements only happen in other stages of sleep

wpietri 5y ago
What's your source for the paralysis being complete during REM and movements happening only during other stages? That seems suspicious to me given that a) REM is named for movement, and b) these mechanisms definitely aren't perfect, as things like night terrors and sleepwalking demonstrate. For what it's worth, the American Kennel Club claims that dog motions do happen during REM: "We can’t know exactly what dogs dream about, but researchers have observed that certain breeds of dogs tend to perform breed-specific behavior in their sleep when the pons is inactivated. Pointers, for instance, point, and English Springer Spaniels exhibit flushing behavior during REM sleep." https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/why-dog-twitch-in-sleep/ https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/why-dog-twitch-i...
- tayo42 5y ago
  This is fairly easy to google its pretty basic sleep info... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120711131030.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120711131030.h... sleepwalking isn't related to rem stage, most movement doesn't occur during rem stages https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleepwalking/symptoms-causes/syc-20353506#:~:text=Sleepwalking%20is%20a%20disorder%20of,eye%20movement%20(NREM)%20sleep https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleepwalking/.... https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw48331 https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw48331 I don't think its farfetched to guess this applies to other mammals
  - wpietri 5y ago
    I'm not saying it isn't the general case. I'm saying it isn't absolute. I also am not saying sleepwalking is part of REM; I'm saying it is an example of how mechanisms for quiescence are not perfect. And since we're talking specifically about your claim about dogs, I'd like the dog reference specifically, please.
    - tayo42 5y ago
      https://www.petmd.com/dog/general-health/do-dogs-dream https://www.petmd.com/dog/general-health/do-dogs-dream This suggests that all mammals brain work simmiliar and are paralyzed durring rem. I'm not sure why your bringing up sleepwalking and night terrors, those don't occur durring rem, so it had nothing to do with paralysis disfunctioning And I'm not even sure what point your getting at with your comments? Just demanding sources. I feel like you can Google these things your self
      - nitrogen 5y ago
        I know someone who sleepwalks their dreams. People are demanding sources because you are claiming "always" when the reality is almost certainly just "usually."
        tayo42 5y ago
        I'm talking about general cases, not disorders. Sleeping walking doesnt occur durring rem, Google it. there's other disorders that allow for movement durring rem. What does disorders have to do with anything?
      - wpietri 5y ago
        I did Google and found a source contradicting your claim, as well as nothing supporting it. As I've explained, I bring those up as examples that the sleep system is not 100% reliable, so I think it's a mistake to go from the general case of "most motor control is shut down during REM sleep" to "nobody in any species ever twitches during a dream".
        tayo42 5y ago
        I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills because I never said anything like that. Maybe your people interaction skills too. If my initial comment wasn't clear your free to ask for clarification instead of putting words in my mouth. Ill recap for you, The parent post wonders if his dog is barking at things it dreams about I join in after remembering that were paralyzed during rem, the stage when we sleep, implying the conclusion its probably just weird movements during other stages of sleep. You then join in asking for sources about general sleep knowledge, then you actually say you don't know about sleep, your only suspicious, make a wild connection between the word "movement" being part of the acronym REM and so clearly we aren't paralyzed. Then you make an incorrect conclusion about sleepwalking and night terrors as some point to refuting paralysis during REM. But you don't seem to understand that those don't happen during the REM stage. This point makes no sense, if anything actually strengthens the thing Im wondering about, because there are movements happening during non dream states of sleep. I then read your post, you seem really confused, so I indulge you in your request for sources with a quick google search because you seem to not even have a general knowledge of sleep. I'm confused why you latched onto my post, and then started arguing and what point you are arguing. Maybe you need to dream more?
msrenee 5y ago
My understanding is that dogs and some other mammals don't experience the same extent of paralysis as humans during REM sleep. I don't know the reason for it, but dogs flail in REM sleep. Scared the crap out of me when we first adopted our dog. I've only ever owned cats and I thought she was having a seizure.
- _carbyau_ 5y ago
  I had a cat crawl under the covers and sleep next to me. Once I woke up because it was.. dream running or something?!? The feet twitched back and forth along my ribs and I am quite ticklish! I was amused and glad it wasn't claws out dream fighting! So I think cats can't be ruled out regards moving while asleep too. :-)

by tayo42 5y ago

I thought dreams only happen durring rem and you are paralyzed durring rem stages. So you wouldn't be physically reacting to anything. I think those movements only happen in other stages of sleep

wpietri 5y ago

What's your source for the paralysis being complete during REM and movements happening only during other stages? That seems suspicious to me given that a) REM is named for movement, and b) these mechanisms definitely aren't perfect, as things like night terrors and sleepwalking demonstrate. For what it's worth, the American Kennel Club claims that dog motions do happen during REM: "We can’t know exactly what dogs dream about, but researchers have observed that certain breeds of dogs tend to perform breed-specific behavior in their sleep when the pons is inactivated. Pointers, for instance, point, and English Springer Spaniels exhibit flushing behavior during REM sleep." https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/why-dog-twitch-in-sleep/ https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/why-dog-twitch-i...

tayo42 5y ago
This is fairly easy to google its pretty basic sleep info... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120711131030.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120711131030.h... sleepwalking isn't related to rem stage, most movement doesn't occur during rem stages https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleepwalking/symptoms-causes/syc-20353506#:~:text=Sleepwalking%20is%20a%20disorder%20of,eye%20movement%20(NREM)%20sleep https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleepwalking/.... https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw48331 https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw48331 I don't think its farfetched to guess this applies to other mammals
- wpietri 5y ago
  I'm not saying it isn't the general case. I'm saying it isn't absolute. I also am not saying sleepwalking is part of REM; I'm saying it is an example of how mechanisms for quiescence are not perfect. And since we're talking specifically about your claim about dogs, I'd like the dog reference specifically, please.
  - tayo42 5y ago
    https://www.petmd.com/dog/general-health/do-dogs-dream https://www.petmd.com/dog/general-health/do-dogs-dream This suggests that all mammals brain work simmiliar and are paralyzed durring rem. I'm not sure why your bringing up sleepwalking and night terrors, those don't occur durring rem, so it had nothing to do with paralysis disfunctioning And I'm not even sure what point your getting at with your comments? Just demanding sources. I feel like you can Google these things your self
    - nitrogen 5y ago
      I know someone who sleepwalks their dreams. People are demanding sources because you are claiming "always" when the reality is almost certainly just "usually."
      - tayo42 5y ago
        I'm talking about general cases, not disorders. Sleeping walking doesnt occur durring rem, Google it. there's other disorders that allow for movement durring rem. What does disorders have to do with anything?
    - wpietri 5y ago
      I did Google and found a source contradicting your claim, as well as nothing supporting it. As I've explained, I bring those up as examples that the sleep system is not 100% reliable, so I think it's a mistake to go from the general case of "most motor control is shut down during REM sleep" to "nobody in any species ever twitches during a dream".
      - tayo42 5y ago
        I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills because I never said anything like that. Maybe your people interaction skills too. If my initial comment wasn't clear your free to ask for clarification instead of putting words in my mouth. Ill recap for you, The parent post wonders if his dog is barking at things it dreams about I join in after remembering that were paralyzed during rem, the stage when we sleep, implying the conclusion its probably just weird movements during other stages of sleep. You then join in asking for sources about general sleep knowledge, then you actually say you don't know about sleep, your only suspicious, make a wild connection between the word "movement" being part of the acronym REM and so clearly we aren't paralyzed. Then you make an incorrect conclusion about sleepwalking and night terrors as some point to refuting paralysis during REM. But you don't seem to understand that those don't happen during the REM stage. This point makes no sense, if anything actually strengthens the thing Im wondering about, because there are movements happening during non dream states of sleep. I then read your post, you seem really confused, so I indulge you in your request for sources with a quick google search because you seem to not even have a general knowledge of sleep. I'm confused why you latched onto my post, and then started arguing and what point you are arguing. Maybe you need to dream more?

msrenee 5y ago

My understanding is that dogs and some other mammals don't experience the same extent of paralysis as humans during REM sleep. I don't know the reason for it, but dogs flail in REM sleep. Scared the crap out of me when we first adopted our dog. I've only ever owned cats and I thought she was having a seizure.

_carbyau_ 5y ago
I had a cat crawl under the covers and sleep next to me. Once I woke up because it was.. dream running or something?!? The feet twitched back and forth along my ribs and I am quite ticklish! I was amused and glad it wasn't claws out dream fighting! So I think cats can't be ruled out regards moving while asleep too. :-)