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My dad used to tell a story about my grandfather's first experience with television in the late forties. There was a buxom woman on the screen, and he walked up

My dad used to tell a story about my grandfather's first experience with television in the late forties. There was a buxom woman on the screen, and he walked up to it, trying to look down her cleavage. It didn't work. Does Starline give you a different view when you change your perspective? It looks like it does to some extent. If so, it might work before long, but grandpa died about fifty years too soon for it.

yakkityyak 5y ago
That would really take it to the next level if it had that feature, even with very few degrees of freedom. The (New) Nintendo 3DS has head tracking, but it doesn't change your perspective into the view port, which gives a very dizzying effect when you deliberately test the feature. I would imagine its possible to extrapolate perspective if they had an array (N > 2) of cameras. This is super cool tech, and can't wait to see an array of these installed in the secret undisclosed board rooms for the illuminati.
sneak 5y ago
My understanding of the existing tech that's out (3d displays) is that it allows for such on the X axis (different view per-eye) but not on the Y, so a scenario such as you described (looking downwards) might still remain sci-fi for the moment. Perhaps this does something entirely new/novel with display tech but there's nothing to suggest that at the moment.
blastro 5y ago
Great story re: your grandfather. Thanks for sharing.
agumonkey 5y ago
maternal grandfather had trouble adjusting to tv too, he never stopped greeting female tv hosts on screen
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
On the topic of buxom women, my first thought about this tech was, it'll be the next frontier for OnlyFans/porn accounts on Snapchat. Before you laugh or be prude, porn content was what made VHS and BluRay succeed (or are these urban legends?) and they were pioneers in stuff like online video streaming.
- thepasswordis 5y ago
  Ah yes, the people whose first thought is not how they can use this to commodify women’s bodies are “prudes”. Yes of course. Women: become literal prostitutes for the only fans corporation. You could be RICH! It’s so fun! They have t-shirts! Remember how I said you could be RICH?!
  - goldenchrome 5y ago
    How is this any different from me wasting my life working for FAANG? Why is commodifying my brain any better than commodifying my body?
    - thepasswordis 5y ago
      I don’t know. You should ask some of the abuse victims coming out of the prostitution industry why they’re so upset, and remind them that their job is basically the same as working at google.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
      - goldenchrome 5y ago
        OnlyFans is not prostitution. Cam girls have complete bodily autonomy.
  - CyanBird 5y ago
    > commodify women’s bodies The fact that you instantly associate what OP mentioned to women specifically is quite disgusting, not going to lie FYI More people than just women suffer through that and taking the oxygen of such a discussion via weaponizing linguistics is just nasty and a horrible way to spend the opportunity cost of it
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    Not sure my comment will bring anything to change your opinion, you seem to be already a hardcore antiporn person, and I can't defend sex work either because yeah I know it's got a lot of seedy aspects to it; but no, they're not literal prostitutes, cam girls and OnlyFans models have the advantage that they can earn money without having to be in contact with other bodies and potential diseases they bring. I know some girls who are prostitutes. They seem normal enough. Maybe they're wearing a facade and have hidden PTSDs, I don't know, but if that's the case, I think you might want to extend your crusade against the military.
ibrahimsow1 5y ago
If this uses fully fledged lightfield[0] it might be able to. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2020/06/23/googles-46-camera-light-field-videos-let-you-change-perspective-and-peek-around-corners/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2020/06/23/googl...
- ExtraE 5y ago
  Non-amp link: https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/23/googles-46-camera-light-field-videos-let-you-change-perspective-and-peek-around-corners/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANLZIO8hUs-yXRDVDgbqmPlR-jdBoB5VCs9gZyL_HRG_AqhfXNVUQzeMG9CKMVXIfNHFX_QD5DpF093P8WQRGkvQ-ZTR0xjt4G6jn8mYCpdIgUP66tGzV14juC9YxLaUkcQbK8fBTAx6MAd-715pflntvtA2-0VrSifvgflxFDdy https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/23/googles-46-camera-light-fi...
- alkonaut 5y ago
  Why would you need lightfields to make a TV that shows a different projection if you change vantagepoint? The device knows where the viewer's eyes are in 3D, so can display an image of the other end, as viewed from that point (within some constraint).
  - ibrahimsow1 5y ago
    I'm no expert but if it simulates a window, no normal cameras can capture the field of view as effectively as a lightfield. Google also had a proprietary method of transferring data, not sure if that's mentioned in the article.
spoonjim 5y ago
Does your dad think your grandfather's problematic behavior was funny?

yakkityyak 5y ago

That would really take it to the next level if it had that feature, even with very few degrees of freedom. The (New) Nintendo 3DS has head tracking, but it doesn't change your perspective into the view port, which gives a very dizzying effect when you deliberately test the feature. I would imagine its possible to extrapolate perspective if they had an array (N > 2) of cameras. This is super cool tech, and can't wait to see an array of these installed in the secret undisclosed board rooms for the illuminati.

sneak 5y ago

My understanding of the existing tech that's out (3d displays) is that it allows for such on the X axis (different view per-eye) but not on the Y, so a scenario such as you described (looking downwards) might still remain sci-fi for the moment. Perhaps this does something entirely new/novel with display tech but there's nothing to suggest that at the moment.

blastro 5y ago

Great story re: your grandfather. Thanks for sharing.

agumonkey 5y ago

maternal grandfather had trouble adjusting to tv too, he never stopped greeting female tv hosts on screen

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

On the topic of buxom women, my first thought about this tech was, it'll be the next frontier for OnlyFans/porn accounts on Snapchat. Before you laugh or be prude, porn content was what made VHS and BluRay succeed (or are these urban legends?) and they were pioneers in stuff like online video streaming.

thepasswordis 5y ago
Ah yes, the people whose first thought is not how they can use this to commodify women’s bodies are “prudes”. Yes of course. Women: become literal prostitutes for the only fans corporation. You could be RICH! It’s so fun! They have t-shirts! Remember how I said you could be RICH?!
- goldenchrome 5y ago
  How is this any different from me wasting my life working for FAANG? Why is commodifying my brain any better than commodifying my body?
  - thepasswordis 5y ago
    I don’t know. You should ask some of the abuse victims coming out of the prostitution industry why they’re so upset, and remind them that their job is basically the same as working at google.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - goldenchrome 5y ago
      OnlyFans is not prostitution. Cam girls have complete bodily autonomy.
- CyanBird 5y ago
  > commodify women’s bodies The fact that you instantly associate what OP mentioned to women specifically is quite disgusting, not going to lie FYI More people than just women suffer through that and taking the oxygen of such a discussion via weaponizing linguistics is just nasty and a horrible way to spend the opportunity cost of it
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  Not sure my comment will bring anything to change your opinion, you seem to be already a hardcore antiporn person, and I can't defend sex work either because yeah I know it's got a lot of seedy aspects to it; but no, they're not literal prostitutes, cam girls and OnlyFans models have the advantage that they can earn money without having to be in contact with other bodies and potential diseases they bring. I know some girls who are prostitutes. They seem normal enough. Maybe they're wearing a facade and have hidden PTSDs, I don't know, but if that's the case, I think you might want to extend your crusade against the military.

ibrahimsow1 5y ago

If this uses fully fledged lightfield[0] it might be able to. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2020/06/23/googles-46-camera-light-field-videos-let-you-change-perspective-and-peek-around-corners/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2020/06/23/googl...

ExtraE 5y ago
Non-amp link: https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/23/googles-46-camera-light-field-videos-let-you-change-perspective-and-peek-around-corners/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANLZIO8hUs-yXRDVDgbqmPlR-jdBoB5VCs9gZyL_HRG_AqhfXNVUQzeMG9CKMVXIfNHFX_QD5DpF093P8WQRGkvQ-ZTR0xjt4G6jn8mYCpdIgUP66tGzV14juC9YxLaUkcQbK8fBTAx6MAd-715pflntvtA2-0VrSifvgflxFDdy https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/23/googles-46-camera-light-fi...
alkonaut 5y ago
Why would you need lightfields to make a TV that shows a different projection if you change vantagepoint? The device knows where the viewer's eyes are in 3D, so can display an image of the other end, as viewed from that point (within some constraint).
- ibrahimsow1 5y ago
  I'm no expert but if it simulates a window, no normal cameras can capture the field of view as effectively as a lightfield. Google also had a proprietary method of transferring data, not sure if that's mentioned in the article.

spoonjim 5y ago

Does your dad think your grandfather's problematic behavior was funny?