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Halide for iPad
- t0mbstone 5y agoHow is this not a product advertisement?
- nvrspyx 5y agoProduct announcements are posted here all the time.
- W0lf 5y agoEvery time this term comes up here, I have to think this is about Halide [1]. [1] https://halide-lang.org/ https://halide-lang.org/
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- jacoblambda 5y agoSame. I thought this was a Halide integration on iOS. Interesting how products in intersecting spaces converge on names. I am curious though if any tech on iOS leverages Halide and whether it's even feasible. It would be cool to get Halide generators to wrap some of Apple's special image processing and ML hardware.
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- andrewmunsell 5y agoI find this interesting: > We did prototype a machine learning-based Concert Mode that detects when you are taking shots at a show and disables the camera automatically, but we decided that was perhaps a bit too much. As much as I hate that person at a concert holding their iPad up to take photos, I respect the decision to let their users make the choice for themselves and to not become a gatekeeper (and, almost certainly, block use of the app in legitimate situations due to false positives).
- notyourwork 5y agoFalse positives would be a really poor user experience. In fact, I'd likely uninstall and never look back if I encountered that type of issue.
- jkingsman 5y agoI interpreted this as a cheeky joke, not as an actually considered feature :)
- andrewmunsell 5y agoThat's totally possible as well and it may have just gone over my head :)
- crazygringo 5y agoI just don't understand the hate around concert photos/videos. I always have a bunch of friends who wanted to see the show but couldn't make it. Being able to send them a few photos and a couple 30s clips lets us all enjoy it a bit and have a good message back and forth. If it's a 2h show, I'm still completely "present" for 99% of it. It's not detracting from my enjoyment. And I actually think it's pretty cool when there are moments when everyone is sticking up their phone to record -- it's this shared experience where everyone is expressing yes, this is the moment. You see it's not just important to you but to others. And all the glowing screens is aesthetically similar to the way people used to hold up their lit lighters when people smoked. If I'm on stage and everyone's pulling out their phones to record at a certain moment, that's when I know I'm making magic and we're all sharing it. People are appreciating it so much it's worth saving.
- CharlesW 5y agoI've enjoyed using Halide for iPhone. It was interesting to get a tour of the thinking and design challenges around making a tablet version.
- luke2m 5y agoDo people really take photos on a tablet?
- kccqzy 5y agoOf course. Look at the 2012 London olympics. This is a use case that surprised Apple designers too. From https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/chaudri/ https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/chaudri/ > So I remember very clearly at the 2012 Olympics in London, if you looked around the stadium, you saw a lot of people using an iPad as a camera and generally that was people that just needed to have a bigger viewfinder for vision reasons, etc.
- minimaxir 5y agoThe cameras in the new iPad Pro (comparable to recent iPhones) may finally put an end to that meme.
- crooked-v 5y agoIn my experience it's extremely common at theme parks. I don't understand why people do it, but it happens.
- feifan 5y agoFor my mom, her iPad (Mini) is her only computer, including for taking photos. She much prefers the large screen (vs a phone or camera-sized screen) and wouldn't know how to transfer photos over from a traditional camera. I imagine my mom is pretty close to the average demographic that goes to theme parks in this way.
- kenjackson 5y agoFor sporting events we use iPads for videos and photos. The reason is that the quality is "good enough" and the large screen makes it so much easier to actually follow the action on the screen. When we tried to use phones, people were much more likely to watch the action not using the screen, and then would miss the shot because they couldn't get the camera aligned with the shot fast enough.
- thekid314 5y agoI love Halide but never remembered to open it. Luckily iOS 14 shortcuts made it possible to trigger open Halide whenever the Camera app is opened. It now acts like the default camera app. Specific instructions: https://www.daviddegner.com/blog/change-default-camera-app-on-ios-14/ https://www.daviddegner.com/blog/change-default-camera-app-o...
- hellomyguys 5y agoI'm pretty into photography and love to shoot manual on my mirrorless and film cameras, so was naturally very intrigued by Halide. Unless I need to take a photo at a fast shutter speed, most photos look better taken through the stock camera with all the AI/ML processing Apple does. I guess I could also use Halide to shoot in RAW and edit later, but I don't really care to do that with iPhone photos. Curious what you're shooting where you feel you need the fine tune control Halide provides and if you actually fine the results better than the stock camera app?
- feifan 5y agoFor me, Halide lets me shoot regular RAWs, whereas the stock camera doesn't — I don't like working with ProRAW because it renders buggily in Photos and Lightroom and I don't find it worth the file size.
- derwiki 5y agoWhat rendering bugs do you encounter?
- feifan 5y agoThe tone map "flickers" on/off unpredictably and in a non-undoable way (when it's off it appears to just be a flat plain RAW). If I actually try editing a ProRAW file, the whole photo area gets covered in green or red rectangles on every slider tick — looks like a graphics driver bug.
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- jonplackett 5y agoThe map is brilliant
- sandofsky 5y agoI'm cofounder of Lux and one of the engineers. Happy to answer any questions.
- dadanda 5y agoCould you please add a digital zoom option in Halide? I bought the app to have full manual control over the camera and I don’t understand why it cuts out this standard feature. One of my use cases is that I often use my phone with one of those macro lens clip-ons and on pocket microscopes and there you just have to zoom in digitally. And even for everyday shooting I sometimes just want to zoom in slightly. Of course everything is possible in post, but since you are boasting full manual control, I also expect the app to have all features of the default iPhone camera.
- goldenkey 5y agoDoesn't digital zoom lose information? It's equivalent to cropping and enlarging. Seems antithetical to a camera app meant for professionals.
- astrange 5y agoIf you're zooming from the wider lenses it doesn't necessarily lose information, because you can merge it with a tele lens picture.
- sandofsky 5y agoDoing digital zoom "right" involves some serious thought. One issue is technical. The iPhone cannot capture a RAW photo with digital zoom enabled. It's restricted at an API level. The reasoning is that it wouldn't make sense to crop a RAW file, and there are privacy concerns around saving data in a photo that the user thought was cropped. Another issue is that digital zooming is awful. You're typically looking at simple interpolation, whereas cropping the photo afterwards in any half-decent editor offers better algorithms. Very smart software can apply super-resolution. Then there's added UI complexity. On hardware that supports optical zoom, you want to clearly surface to the user whether they're engaged digital zoom or optical. Many users are caught by surprise with how the first-party camera app quietly switches between the telephoto lens and cropping the wide-angle lens when it needs to focus on macro shots; the wide-angle lens has a closer minimum focus distance. From talking to users, we found many folks use digital zoom as a focus aid. That's why MkII included a focus loupe, which solved that problem in a much more elegant way. We do have some ideas on how to do digital zoom well. Stay tuned.
- rasz 5y ago>We set out to build something much more than a large iPhone app on a bigger screen. We had to completely rethink our design to for the big, bigger and biggest portable screen. >The best UI is usually as little as you can get away with, so just like on Halide for iPad, our exposure dials only appear while adjusting exposure. They fade away into the background after a few moments. we had to think what to do with all of this extra screen space, so we decided to hide even more of the UI
- sandofsky 5y agoAs mentioned in the post, when the viewfinder fills the screen, controls have to overlap the viewfinder. This makes it harder to judge your composition. That's why it still makes sense to keep your UI from looking like an airplane cockpit.
- LeoPanthera 5y agoSo don't fill the screen with the viewfinder. It's not rocket science.
- sandofsky 5y agoAs explained in the post, there’s a button to toggle that.
- LeoPanthera 5y agoYes I know. (Edit: You edited your comment so now I am forced to edit mine. Yours previously said something like "that's an intentional feature called 'ProView' described in the article".) I'm disputing this part of the article: > The best UI is usually as little as you can get away with I think this is what designers honestly believe, and obviously you do too. I just don't think it's true. I know that undiscoverable UIs have been a trend for a while now, and I wonder how much damage they have done to human productivity and the reputation of software developers in general. It's possible your goal is to make an intentionally difficult-to-use app, so that people are forced to learn the tricks and secrets, and then eventually feel "invested" in the app after they have done so, making it less likely for them to switch. Snapchat does this. But this is a photography app, not a trendy social network for Generation Z, and so the decision to make it intentionally hide UI controls from you is, in my opinion, completely crazy.
- djyaz1200 5y agoWhat is that song? Kinda catchy
- earth2mars 5y agoWhy no Android support?
- kumarvvr 5y agoOff topic : The presentation, Language and structure is very similar to how Apple would present its devices or features.
- Jemm 5y agoThat copy is horrible. How about one sentence that says what the damn thing is.
- Liquid_Fire 5y agoI didn't know what it was either, but right at the top of the article it says quite clearly: > Halide, a camera app that combines intuitive, polished design with the powerful features found in professional gear