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> if you purchased a Mac Pro, it's still the same. If you find yourself not having enough power, you bought the wrong machine to begin with This is the reality

> if you purchased a Mac Pro, it's still the same. If you find yourself not having enough power, you bought the wrong machine to begin with This is the reality really, if you actually wanted power then the Mac Pro just wasn't what you should have bought. Threadripper + Nvidia cards would take you way further for far less and with a clear sustainable upgrade path. Also really after the past 10 years of Apple's pro moves with their last 2 "workstation" machines being discontinued it seems very risking investing so much money in their pro line.

briandear 5y ago
Those trash can pros are still great machines. They didn’t discontinue MacOS — that’s what matters.
barkingcat 5y ago
Yup exactly everyone bought the trashcan mac (I have one now myself - I love these buggers!) and then were disappointed with the lack of expansion/improvement. Everyone then bought the current Mac Pro, but were disappointed that nothing else really fits into the slots aside from the things that Apple offered themselves (Nvidia cards won't work in the current Gen Intel Mac Pros.) What makes anyone think the next Apple Silicon based Mac Pro will be any different? Wanting a more modular mac pro is more like wishful thinking or wanting something to be different when reality is clearly saying something.
wffurr 5y ago
I'm still using a trashcan Mac Pro on my desk, and it works just fine and is still receiving updates. macOS Big Sur 11.3.1. It's a little upsetting to see even the 12-core version get smoked by the M1 Mini, but it's from 2013 so what do I really expect. Still nice and quiet and compiles iOS apps just fine.
Applejinx 5y ago
I'm currently grappling with an issue in my Linux VST development, where specifically Threadripper users are having issues. This is on Github and there are better people than me tackling it: it's an open source project so people can try everything they want. So far the answer seems to be, there is no getting around these CPU issues through tailoring the compiler flags etc. and the best people can get is amelioration of the problem, not getting it back on par with normally inferior Intel chips. Again, the issue is that the Threadripper stuff is eating unreasonable CPU and the Intel stuff, normally not as good, is not doing that. I suspect what you're looking at there is a CPU architecture that's getting optimized for specific conditions, which my plugins don't meet. There seems no fix other than 'you should be playing Mass Effect on this computer instead'. I'm sure that it would destroy the Intel computer if you're doing that, but generalizing that to all conditions seems not justified.

briandear 5y ago

Those trash can pros are still great machines. They didn’t discontinue MacOS — that’s what matters.

barkingcat 5y ago

Yup exactly everyone bought the trashcan mac (I have one now myself - I love these buggers!) and then were disappointed with the lack of expansion/improvement. Everyone then bought the current Mac Pro, but were disappointed that nothing else really fits into the slots aside from the things that Apple offered themselves (Nvidia cards won't work in the current Gen Intel Mac Pros.) What makes anyone think the next Apple Silicon based Mac Pro will be any different? Wanting a more modular mac pro is more like wishful thinking or wanting something to be different when reality is clearly saying something.

wffurr 5y ago

I'm still using a trashcan Mac Pro on my desk, and it works just fine and is still receiving updates. macOS Big Sur 11.3.1. It's a little upsetting to see even the 12-core version get smoked by the M1 Mini, but it's from 2013 so what do I really expect. Still nice and quiet and compiles iOS apps just fine.

Applejinx 5y ago

I'm currently grappling with an issue in my Linux VST development, where specifically Threadripper users are having issues. This is on Github and there are better people than me tackling it: it's an open source project so people can try everything they want. So far the answer seems to be, there is no getting around these CPU issues through tailoring the compiler flags etc. and the best people can get is amelioration of the problem, not getting it back on par with normally inferior Intel chips. Again, the issue is that the Threadripper stuff is eating unreasonable CPU and the Intel stuff, normally not as good, is not doing that. I suspect what you're looking at there is a CPU architecture that's getting optimized for specific conditions, which my plugins don't meet. There seems no fix other than 'you should be playing Mass Effect on this computer instead'. I'm sure that it would destroy the Intel computer if you're doing that, but generalizing that to all conditions seems not justified.