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One should note that Apple sometimes has multiple "Gold Master" seeds, so this does not necessarily mean release is imminent. (Though I think chances are pretty

One should note that Apple sometimes has multiple "Gold Master" seeds, so this does not necessarily mean release is imminent. (Though I think chances are pretty good, since Lion's been rumored to be released sometime in the next two weeks.)

masklinn 15y ago
> Though I think chances are pretty good, since Lion's been rumored to be released sometime in the next two weeks. On the other hand, DP4 was reported not to be very stable.
- Zev 15y ago
  As someone running DP4 as their primary OS (running it full-time makes it easier for me to run into edge-case issues with apps I care about), Lion lacking stability is news to me.
  - masklinn 15y ago
    Noted.
  - davepeck 15y ago
    Interesting. I'm using DP4 to make sure my app (getcloak.com) is compatible -- I've found DP4 to be quite buggy: Kernel panics not evidently tied to third party drivers, crashes in Safari, plenty of UI glitches etc. Oh, and Ableton Live doesn't work, not that this is necessarily Apple's fault. This is on a late-2010 MacBook Pro. My impression talking to friends is that this is not an uncommon experience, though clearly not everyone has these issues. That said, I used to work at Microsoft. Next to the (years of) beta builds of Vista I had to suffer through, Lion is practically paradise. ;-)
    - podperson 15y ago
      I guess I'm somewhere in between. I've a couple of kernel panics but it's been pretty smooth overall. Safari has been usable again since DP3.
  - llambda 15y ago
    I can second this. I used DP4 for about a week with no problems whatsoever. I am now using DP5 as my primary, again with no issues. I was even using a seed from February that was stable. My experience with Lion has been very good so far. I'm wondering what specific hardware people are having problems with? Perhaps laptops?
  - jsz0 15y ago
    There were a couple of issues with NVIDIA graphics drivers in DP4 which could cause kernel panics, UI glitches, etc. Fixed in the latest DP4 update. The folks over at netkas.org forums do a lot of exploring in those kexts. It seems like Lion and the 10.6.8 update share basically the same drivers at this point.
- wfarr 15y ago
  DP4 was also likely tagged at least a month before its release to developers. Their DP releases aren't current. They're older, generally more stable snapshots. EDIT: This means that they've been improving stability long since the last DP, and have been using the bug reports and crash reports from the DPs to diagnose and fix problems as well.
mahrain 15y ago
The time between GM seed and release could be much shorter this time around, because they don't need to press millions of shiny plastic discs and ship them around the world.

masklinn 15y ago

> Though I think chances are pretty good, since Lion's been rumored to be released sometime in the next two weeks. On the other hand, DP4 was reported not to be very stable.

Zev 15y ago
As someone running DP4 as their primary OS (running it full-time makes it easier for me to run into edge-case issues with apps I care about), Lion lacking stability is news to me.
- masklinn 15y ago
  Noted.
- davepeck 15y ago
  Interesting. I'm using DP4 to make sure my app (getcloak.com) is compatible -- I've found DP4 to be quite buggy: Kernel panics not evidently tied to third party drivers, crashes in Safari, plenty of UI glitches etc. Oh, and Ableton Live doesn't work, not that this is necessarily Apple's fault. This is on a late-2010 MacBook Pro. My impression talking to friends is that this is not an uncommon experience, though clearly not everyone has these issues. That said, I used to work at Microsoft. Next to the (years of) beta builds of Vista I had to suffer through, Lion is practically paradise. ;-)
  - podperson 15y ago
    I guess I'm somewhere in between. I've a couple of kernel panics but it's been pretty smooth overall. Safari has been usable again since DP3.
- llambda 15y ago
  I can second this. I used DP4 for about a week with no problems whatsoever. I am now using DP5 as my primary, again with no issues. I was even using a seed from February that was stable. My experience with Lion has been very good so far. I'm wondering what specific hardware people are having problems with? Perhaps laptops?
- jsz0 15y ago
  There were a couple of issues with NVIDIA graphics drivers in DP4 which could cause kernel panics, UI glitches, etc. Fixed in the latest DP4 update. The folks over at netkas.org forums do a lot of exploring in those kexts. It seems like Lion and the 10.6.8 update share basically the same drivers at this point.
wfarr 15y ago
DP4 was also likely tagged at least a month before its release to developers. Their DP releases aren't current. They're older, generally more stable snapshots. EDIT: This means that they've been improving stability long since the last DP, and have been using the bug reports and crash reports from the DPs to diagnose and fix problems as well.

mahrain 15y ago

The time between GM seed and release could be much shorter this time around, because they don't need to press millions of shiny plastic discs and ship them around the world.