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Hydrogen has the same infrastructure as gasoline. A "recharge" takes as much as 40 seconds. EVs have a negative impact in the quality of life of those who buy t

Hydrogen has the same infrastructure as gasoline. A "recharge" takes as much as 40 seconds. EVs have a negative impact in the quality of life of those who buy them because they cost more and have the problem of recharging time. It's simply an own goal you are doing to your team which in this case is your family because of woke ideals. Lower mantainence costs is also a legend unless we are talking about Toyotas and Benz build quality. Teslas have lots of issues, don't know about the Leaf.

kazoomonger 5y ago
I really just fucking love plugging in at home to charge (and so does my family, and no I'm not just saying that). I don't want "infrastructure". I would take even slower charging if it meant I got to charge at home. As-is, I'm very satisfied, and excited to see where EV tech goes. I'm sure in a few years the charging speed and range I've got now will be peanuts to what's out there. My maintenance costs have been tire rotations. I joked to the service tech that I'm sorry they're not making more money off of me.
- AAA_Rating 5y ago
  > I really just fucking love plugging in at home to charge (and so does my family, and no I'm not just saying that) Why is that? When you purchase a car you buy the 24/7/365 availibility of said car. An EV is not availible to use 24/7/365. Regardless of the human biorythms you should get a discount because an EV is less of a car compared to an actual car which is always ready to go. With EVs you are not getting a discount, but you'd have to pay a premium. This is a subpar outcome for the consumer in my book.
  - kazoomonger 5y ago
    This is honestly a rather bizarre take, but also not true. I almost never run out of battery at the end of the day, because I've got 230 miles of range. I plug the car in overnight, and it's fully charged in the morning, but if there were an emergency overnight, I'd still have plenty of range for getting to wherever. So I do have 24/7/365 availability? I even don't have to remember to stop by a gas station (or hydrogen station given the original post). The few times I got super low on battery from driving around all day, I stopped by one of the dealerships near me and used their free Leaf-only supercharger, went inside and sat in their nice comfy chairs with free wifi for a bit. Note that I didn't have to do this and could've charged at home, but figured it would be nice to have the quick charge. I've done this less than half a dozen times in the whole time I've had the car, so this is not a general concern I have.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
If you'd rather have a car that's twice less efficient (and twice more expencise to fuel) than wait 20 minutes to charge, then you are living in a bubble of privilidge that does not reflect life priorities for 90% of folks out there
- kazoomonger 5y ago
  I wouldn't rather have such a car, it's just the benefits from charging at home are such that I'd still accept it.
- woeirua 5y ago
  EVs are perfect second cars or city cars. You don't need to charge them completely all the time. If you want to take a road trip then get a PHEV, or a Hybrid.
woeirua 5y ago
I own a LEAF. The maintenance costs are basically zero: just tire rotations. It pains me to think about spending money for oil changes on my other car. Also the build quality on a Nissan is as good as a Toyota.

kazoomonger 5y ago

I really just fucking love plugging in at home to charge (and so does my family, and no I'm not just saying that). I don't want "infrastructure". I would take even slower charging if it meant I got to charge at home. As-is, I'm very satisfied, and excited to see where EV tech goes. I'm sure in a few years the charging speed and range I've got now will be peanuts to what's out there. My maintenance costs have been tire rotations. I joked to the service tech that I'm sorry they're not making more money off of me.

AAA_Rating 5y ago
> I really just fucking love plugging in at home to charge (and so does my family, and no I'm not just saying that) Why is that? When you purchase a car you buy the 24/7/365 availibility of said car. An EV is not availible to use 24/7/365. Regardless of the human biorythms you should get a discount because an EV is less of a car compared to an actual car which is always ready to go. With EVs you are not getting a discount, but you'd have to pay a premium. This is a subpar outcome for the consumer in my book.
- kazoomonger 5y ago
  This is honestly a rather bizarre take, but also not true. I almost never run out of battery at the end of the day, because I've got 230 miles of range. I plug the car in overnight, and it's fully charged in the morning, but if there were an emergency overnight, I'd still have plenty of range for getting to wherever. So I do have 24/7/365 availability? I even don't have to remember to stop by a gas station (or hydrogen station given the original post). The few times I got super low on battery from driving around all day, I stopped by one of the dealerships near me and used their free Leaf-only supercharger, went inside and sat in their nice comfy chairs with free wifi for a bit. Note that I didn't have to do this and could've charged at home, but figured it would be nice to have the quick charge. I've done this less than half a dozen times in the whole time I've had the car, so this is not a general concern I have.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

If you'd rather have a car that's twice less efficient (and twice more expencise to fuel) than wait 20 minutes to charge, then you are living in a bubble of privilidge that does not reflect life priorities for 90% of folks out there

kazoomonger 5y ago
I wouldn't rather have such a car, it's just the benefits from charging at home are such that I'd still accept it.
woeirua 5y ago
EVs are perfect second cars or city cars. You don't need to charge them completely all the time. If you want to take a road trip then get a PHEV, or a Hybrid.

woeirua 5y ago

I own a LEAF. The maintenance costs are basically zero: just tire rotations. It pains me to think about spending money for oil changes on my other car. Also the build quality on a Nissan is as good as a Toyota.