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It isn’t that much of a value proposition. Modern EVs do fast charging pretty well. Given that it takes on the order of 10 minutes to pull off a freeway, naviga

by bdamm 5y ago

It isn’t that much of a value proposition. Modern EVs do fast charging pretty well. Given that it takes on the order of 10 minutes to pull off a freeway, navigate a traffic light or two, select a pump, pay, use the restroom, grab a snack from the store, and then navigate another intersection to get back on the freeway, adding 5 more minutes to that time to make it a fast charging stop is not really a big deal.

dagw 5y ago
Can modern EVs really fast charge in only 8-10 minutes? I thought we where still talking on the order of 30+ minutes.
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  A Tesla with under half a charge charges at a rate of 1000km of range per hour at a Supercharger. So 10 minutes of charging is definitely not a full charge but it is often a useful charge.
- labcomputer 5y ago
  Put in your favorite road trip, vehicle and any advanced settings you'd like to adjust: https://abetterrouteplanner.com https://abetterrouteplanner.com (No affiliation, just a happy user) Taking a Tesla Model 3 for example, I typically get a 15-20 minute stop every 2-3 hours (standard or long range trim).
rad_gruchalski 5y ago
Right. Assuming that: there is a fast charger available, there is no queue, the charger is not broken. When I drive from Aachen to Berlin, if I have to stop, I stop at the pump, pay - takes 5 minutes, use the bathroom maybe, get in the car and leave. When I arrive in Berlin, I don’t have to look for a parking space where there is a charger, I just park wherever it is legal to park. I leave the meeting, get in the car, stop at the pump if it needs to be and off I go. Roundtrip takes 16 hours. I can do 1000km+ on 65 litres of diesel when driving reasonably or 750km when driving flat out where there is no speed limit. I can use aircon, indicators, satnav, charge stuff in the car and when the gas runs out, I am not forced to have a snack... how often can one snack. There was a test done in Germany. Driving from Hamburg to Munich. Instead of 8 hours, it took over 11. Either a queue at the charger, or you have to adapt the route to get to the charger, or the app says fast charge available but no fast charge was available, or the charger is broken... Sorry, I don’t believe in electric cars but I hold my fingers crossed for h2. Fortunately the hydrogen port built in Antwerpen gives some hope. It’s quite funny looking at all these people in their expensive Taycans on the Autobahn. Either limping 110kph or standing on the hard shoulder with hazards on waiting for adac to turn up.
- bdamm 5y ago
  It is true that the DC fast charging (DCFC) infrastructure is still being built out. The number of endpoints is ramping up. DCFC infra today is way better than the H2 infrastructure, and by quite a lot. Good luck holding your fingers.

by bdamm 5y ago

dagw 5y ago

Can modern EVs really fast charge in only 8-10 minutes? I thought we where still talking on the order of 30+ minutes.

bryanlarsen 5y ago
A Tesla with under half a charge charges at a rate of 1000km of range per hour at a Supercharger. So 10 minutes of charging is definitely not a full charge but it is often a useful charge.
labcomputer 5y ago
Put in your favorite road trip, vehicle and any advanced settings you'd like to adjust: https://abetterrouteplanner.com https://abetterrouteplanner.com (No affiliation, just a happy user) Taking a Tesla Model 3 for example, I typically get a 15-20 minute stop every 2-3 hours (standard or long range trim).

rad_gruchalski 5y ago

Right. Assuming that: there is a fast charger available, there is no queue, the charger is not broken. When I drive from Aachen to Berlin, if I have to stop, I stop at the pump, pay - takes 5 minutes, use the bathroom maybe, get in the car and leave. When I arrive in Berlin, I don’t have to look for a parking space where there is a charger, I just park wherever it is legal to park. I leave the meeting, get in the car, stop at the pump if it needs to be and off I go. Roundtrip takes 16 hours. I can do 1000km+ on 65 litres of diesel when driving reasonably or 750km when driving flat out where there is no speed limit. I can use aircon, indicators, satnav, charge stuff in the car and when the gas runs out, I am not forced to have a snack... how often can one snack. There was a test done in Germany. Driving from Hamburg to Munich. Instead of 8 hours, it took over 11. Either a queue at the charger, or you have to adapt the route to get to the charger, or the app says fast charge available but no fast charge was available, or the charger is broken... Sorry, I don’t believe in electric cars but I hold my fingers crossed for h2. Fortunately the hydrogen port built in Antwerpen gives some hope. It’s quite funny looking at all these people in their expensive Taycans on the Autobahn. Either limping 110kph or standing on the hard shoulder with hazards on waiting for adac to turn up.

bdamm 5y ago
It is true that the DC fast charging (DCFC) infrastructure is still being built out. The number of endpoints is ramping up. DCFC infra today is way better than the H2 infrastructure, and by quite a lot. Good luck holding your fingers.