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Hydrogen is not dead, all the hate it has been getting from Musk made people leave the space. If somebody bets on it right now it seems like a better bet compar

Hydrogen is not dead, all the hate it has been getting from Musk made people leave the space. If somebody bets on it right now it seems like a better bet compared to say 5 years ago. The whole promotional attitude towards EV will cause an EV winter when the rubber meets the road and things aren't as rosy as advertised. Mark my words. It's already happening .

bdamm 5y ago
Can you be specific? Looks pretty good to me.
kazoomonger 5y ago
I doubt that. I've got a Leaf that I've had for almost 2 years (i.e. lots of rubber on the road), and I'm not going back. Judging by the number of Teslas I see driving on the road every time I'm out, I don't think other people are going back either. This is in Minnesota too, with very icy and cold winters. I've seen that commonly brought up as an anti-EV talking point, but it's empirically wrong.
- bkor 5y ago
  > I've got a Leaf that I've had for almost 2 years Isn't the Leaf known for poor battery temperature management? This causes the battery perform way worse over time than other EVs. A battery performing way poorer over time is a common fear that I've noticed. If someone notices this and doesn't know it's unique (caused by manufacturer not doing enough) then I'd expect some Leaf-owning people to dislike EVs. The huge price difference between charging an EV at home vs anywhere else is why I dislike an EV. Though I actually do not dislike EVs, I dislike the price difference.
  - kazoomonger 5y ago
    The Leaf doesn't have active cooling. From what I understand, charging up to 80% instead of full except on long trips prevents any thermal issues. I've got a 230 mile range, so 80% is not an issue for me for daily driving. I will say that the max capacity meter hasn't yet gone below 1.0 after nearly 2 years. Every Nissan dealership around me has free Leaf-only supercharging, and there's also a few superchargers around the Twin Cities that just cost the price of parking (e.g. ~$1/h). Other than that, every Goodwill has a supercharger that costs some actually metered amount of money.
- AAA_Rating 5y ago
  Hydrogen has the same infrastructure as gasoline. A "recharge" takes as much as 40 seconds. EVs have a negative impact in the quality of life of those who buy them because they cost more and have the problem of recharging time. It's simply an own goal you are doing to your team which in this case is your family because of woke ideals. Lower mantainence costs is also a legend unless we are talking about Toyotas and Benz build quality. Teslas have lots of issues, don't know about the Leaf.
  - kazoomonger 5y ago
    I really just fucking love plugging in at home to charge (and so does my family, and no I'm not just saying that). I don't want "infrastructure". I would take even slower charging if it meant I got to charge at home. As-is, I'm very satisfied, and excited to see where EV tech goes. I'm sure in a few years the charging speed and range I've got now will be peanuts to what's out there. My maintenance costs have been tire rotations. I joked to the service tech that I'm sorry they're not making more money off of me.
    - AAA_Rating 5y ago
      > I really just fucking love plugging in at home to charge (and so does my family, and no I'm not just saying that) Why is that? When you purchase a car you buy the 24/7/365 availibility of said car. An EV is not availible to use 24/7/365. Regardless of the human biorythms you should get a discount because an EV is less of a car compared to an actual car which is always ready to go. With EVs you are not getting a discount, but you'd have to pay a premium. This is a subpar outcome for the consumer in my book.
      - kazoomonger 5y ago
        This is honestly a rather bizarre take, but also not true. I almost never run out of battery at the end of the day, because I've got 230 miles of range. I plug the car in overnight, and it's fully charged in the morning, but if there were an emergency overnight, I'd still have plenty of range for getting to wherever. So I do have 24/7/365 availability? I even don't have to remember to stop by a gas station (or hydrogen station given the original post). The few times I got super low on battery from driving around all day, I stopped by one of the dealerships near me and used their free Leaf-only supercharger, went inside and sat in their nice comfy chairs with free wifi for a bit. Note that I didn't have to do this and could've charged at home, but figured it would be nice to have the quick charge. I've done this less than half a dozen times in the whole time I've had the car, so this is not a general concern I have.

bdamm 5y ago

Can you be specific? Looks pretty good to me.

kazoomonger 5y ago

I doubt that. I've got a Leaf that I've had for almost 2 years (i.e. lots of rubber on the road), and I'm not going back. Judging by the number of Teslas I see driving on the road every time I'm out, I don't think other people are going back either. This is in Minnesota too, with very icy and cold winters. I've seen that commonly brought up as an anti-EV talking point, but it's empirically wrong.

bkor 5y ago
> I've got a Leaf that I've had for almost 2 years Isn't the Leaf known for poor battery temperature management? This causes the battery perform way worse over time than other EVs. A battery performing way poorer over time is a common fear that I've noticed. If someone notices this and doesn't know it's unique (caused by manufacturer not doing enough) then I'd expect some Leaf-owning people to dislike EVs. The huge price difference between charging an EV at home vs anywhere else is why I dislike an EV. Though I actually do not dislike EVs, I dislike the price difference.
- kazoomonger 5y ago
  The Leaf doesn't have active cooling. From what I understand, charging up to 80% instead of full except on long trips prevents any thermal issues. I've got a 230 mile range, so 80% is not an issue for me for daily driving. I will say that the max capacity meter hasn't yet gone below 1.0 after nearly 2 years. Every Nissan dealership around me has free Leaf-only supercharging, and there's also a few superchargers around the Twin Cities that just cost the price of parking (e.g. ~$1/h). Other than that, every Goodwill has a supercharger that costs some actually metered amount of money.
AAA_Rating 5y ago
Hydrogen has the same infrastructure as gasoline. A "recharge" takes as much as 40 seconds. EVs have a negative impact in the quality of life of those who buy them because they cost more and have the problem of recharging time. It's simply an own goal you are doing to your team which in this case is your family because of woke ideals. Lower mantainence costs is also a legend unless we are talking about Toyotas and Benz build quality. Teslas have lots of issues, don't know about the Leaf.
- kazoomonger 5y ago
  I really just fucking love plugging in at home to charge (and so does my family, and no I'm not just saying that). I don't want "infrastructure". I would take even slower charging if it meant I got to charge at home. As-is, I'm very satisfied, and excited to see where EV tech goes. I'm sure in a few years the charging speed and range I've got now will be peanuts to what's out there. My maintenance costs have been tire rotations. I joked to the service tech that I'm sorry they're not making more money off of me.
  - AAA_Rating 5y ago
    > I really just fucking love plugging in at home to charge (and so does my family, and no I'm not just saying that) Why is that? When you purchase a car you buy the 24/7/365 availibility of said car. An EV is not availible to use 24/7/365. Regardless of the human biorythms you should get a discount because an EV is less of a car compared to an actual car which is always ready to go. With EVs you are not getting a discount, but you'd have to pay a premium. This is a subpar outcome for the consumer in my book.
    - kazoomonger 5y ago
      This is honestly a rather bizarre take, but also not true. I almost never run out of battery at the end of the day, because I've got 230 miles of range. I plug the car in overnight, and it's fully charged in the morning, but if there were an emergency overnight, I'd still have plenty of range for getting to wherever. So I do have 24/7/365 availability? I even don't have to remember to stop by a gas station (or hydrogen station given the original post). The few times I got super low on battery from driving around all day, I stopped by one of the dealerships near me and used their free Leaf-only supercharger, went inside and sat in their nice comfy chairs with free wifi for a bit. Note that I didn't have to do this and could've charged at home, but figured it would be nice to have the quick charge. I've done this less than half a dozen times in the whole time I've had the car, so this is not a general concern I have.