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Asian countries like Japan, Korea and China are the ones who are still pushing hydrogen tech. None of these are big oil producing nations so the conspiracy theo

Asian countries like Japan, Korea and China are the ones who are still pushing hydrogen tech. None of these are big oil producing nations so the conspiracy theory does not make sense.

whatever1 5y ago
Plus the folks here probably forget what poverty looks like. In areas with no infrastructure the only way of getting energy is to literally carry it home for your stove or motorcycle. Gas is ideal for these cases. Hydrogen cylinders maybe? Batteries are definitely a no go to transport energy.
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  Those cars have 10,000 PSI tanks, and Hydrogen is notorious for leaking through everything. It's not an option for places with no infrastructure. Trickle charging a battery with a small solar panel is what no-infrastructure places are moving towards for charging phones and other electronics. That's not enough energy for cooking or transportation, yet, but I can see it moving towards that. Another option is synthetic fuel. Currently horribly expensive because it is energy intensive and still experimental, it may become viable if solar energy prices continue to drop. It's much less efficient than an EV, but it works with existing gas/diesel/kerosene infrastructure.
  - whatever1 5y ago
    You don’t have to have 10,000psi tanks. A regular 3,000psi industrial gas cylinder would do the job and it would store energy equivalent of around 8gallons of gasoline. The gas cylinder would weigh ~ 100 pounds. So totally feasible. Now, do we have cheap appliances that consume hydrogen and produce work/heat ? Not yet.
numpad0 5y ago
There is supposedly a huge gas deposit under the sea between those three countries so it’s supposedly just a matter of negotiating and setting up a fair mining operations and start extracting it to theoretically become big oils overnight. That isn’t how things work but that’s the logic behind pushing Hydrogen.
bkor 5y ago
> None of these are big oil producing nations so the conspiracy theory does not make sense. Big companies such as Shell are pushing Hydrogen via something called the "EU green deal". This while Shell (and similar) do not expect hydrogen to be produced via green methods for 15+ years. They push the EU to "subsidize" hydrogen (and other things), to basically get loads of money from people in an indirect way. This was e.g. reported via the journalists at ftm.nl. They're probably unknown to most people here, but loads of their findings resulted in loads of issues for the government (scandals, fraud, etc).

Asian countries like Japan, Korea and China are the ones who are still pushing hydrogen tech. None of these are big oil producing nations so the conspiracy theory does not make sense.

whatever1 5y ago

Plus the folks here probably forget what poverty looks like. In areas with no infrastructure the only way of getting energy is to literally carry it home for your stove or motorcycle. Gas is ideal for these cases. Hydrogen cylinders maybe? Batteries are definitely a no go to transport energy.

bryanlarsen 5y ago
Those cars have 10,000 PSI tanks, and Hydrogen is notorious for leaking through everything. It's not an option for places with no infrastructure. Trickle charging a battery with a small solar panel is what no-infrastructure places are moving towards for charging phones and other electronics. That's not enough energy for cooking or transportation, yet, but I can see it moving towards that. Another option is synthetic fuel. Currently horribly expensive because it is energy intensive and still experimental, it may become viable if solar energy prices continue to drop. It's much less efficient than an EV, but it works with existing gas/diesel/kerosene infrastructure.
- whatever1 5y ago
  You don’t have to have 10,000psi tanks. A regular 3,000psi industrial gas cylinder would do the job and it would store energy equivalent of around 8gallons of gasoline. The gas cylinder would weigh ~ 100 pounds. So totally feasible. Now, do we have cheap appliances that consume hydrogen and produce work/heat ? Not yet.

numpad0 5y ago

There is supposedly a huge gas deposit under the sea between those three countries so it’s supposedly just a matter of negotiating and setting up a fair mining operations and start extracting it to theoretically become big oils overnight. That isn’t how things work but that’s the logic behind pushing Hydrogen.

bkor 5y ago

> None of these are big oil producing nations so the conspiracy theory does not make sense. Big companies such as Shell are pushing Hydrogen via something called the "EU green deal". This while Shell (and similar) do not expect hydrogen to be produced via green methods for 15+ years. They push the EU to "subsidize" hydrogen (and other things), to basically get loads of money from people in an indirect way. This was e.g. reported via the journalists at ftm.nl. They're probably unknown to most people here, but loads of their findings resulted in loads of issues for the government (scandals, fraud, etc).