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I'd like to think I would have resisted responding, but I see another response that doesn't answer your question, so, oh well- The dictionary seems to use "mur

I'd like to think I would have resisted responding, but I see another response that doesn't answer your question, so, oh well- The dictionary seems to use "murder" for premeditated killing. Even if you think Israelis are the devil incarnate, killing children doesn't serve their interests. You have to go pretty far into conspiracy territory to believe they secretly want those children to die, and then turn around and explain to everyone how they try to prevent those kids from dying. It certainly serves Hamas's interests more than it serves Israeli interests. Google's dictionary returns "without emotion or pity; deliberately cruel or callous" for cold-blooded. See above. Any reasonable pro- or anti-Israel position would concede that Israelis would be happier without civilian casualties.

toyg 5y ago
> You have to go pretty far into conspiracy territory to believe they secretly want those children to die Not really: it's well-reported that Israeli policy reasons about Arabs primarily in demographic terms. A stated Israeli priority is to keep low the number of Arabs in its territory. It's not even a secret. You might find this so abhorrent and morally indefensible to be unlikely, but really it's just another day in the Middle East.
- three14 5y ago
  You are arguing that bombs killing less than 0.02% of Palestinian children is going to solve Israel's demographic problem and Israel would like to do that despite all the abuse they will receive from the rest of the world for doing so? Like, fine, assume absolute evil, why not, but evil and stupid simultaneously? Hence "conspiracy territory".
  - toyg 5y ago
    > You are arguing that bombs killing less than 0.02% of Palestinian children is going to solve Israel's demographic problem No I'm not, I'm just pointing out that this sort of attitude is obviously a natural result of their stated intent. > evil and stupid simultaneously? Stupid is a given, considering Occam. Asymmetrical warfare in general has been "propaganda-stupid" ever since Jewish tradition popularized David and Goliath. Yet armies still routinely engage in it, because propaganda is only one dimension of a conflict. Being stupid, however, doesn't exclude being anything else.
geofft 5y ago
Is it a conspiracy theory, then, that the US engaged in the premeditated killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, deliberately obliterating an area much wider than the legitimate military targets in those cities - that they in fact wanted a large number of civilians to die - and then turned around and argued (almost certainly correctly!) that they were actually trying to minimize civilian casualties by not bombing Tokyo or mounting a land invasion? Is it improbable to believe that an entire chain of command authorized those deaths without emotion? Does it require believing that Americans, as a whole, are the devil incarnate for such a thing to have happened? Like I said, maybe the words make people uncomfortable. But I don't think they are untrue.
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toyg 5y ago

> You have to go pretty far into conspiracy territory to believe they secretly want those children to die Not really: it's well-reported that Israeli policy reasons about Arabs primarily in demographic terms. A stated Israeli priority is to keep low the number of Arabs in its territory. It's not even a secret. You might find this so abhorrent and morally indefensible to be unlikely, but really it's just another day in the Middle East.

three14 5y ago
You are arguing that bombs killing less than 0.02% of Palestinian children is going to solve Israel's demographic problem and Israel would like to do that despite all the abuse they will receive from the rest of the world for doing so? Like, fine, assume absolute evil, why not, but evil and stupid simultaneously? Hence "conspiracy territory".
- toyg 5y ago
  > You are arguing that bombs killing less than 0.02% of Palestinian children is going to solve Israel's demographic problem No I'm not, I'm just pointing out that this sort of attitude is obviously a natural result of their stated intent. > evil and stupid simultaneously? Stupid is a given, considering Occam. Asymmetrical warfare in general has been "propaganda-stupid" ever since Jewish tradition popularized David and Goliath. Yet armies still routinely engage in it, because propaganda is only one dimension of a conflict. Being stupid, however, doesn't exclude being anything else.

geofft 5y ago

Is it a conspiracy theory, then, that the US engaged in the premeditated killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, deliberately obliterating an area much wider than the legitimate military targets in those cities - that they in fact wanted a large number of civilians to die - and then turned around and argued (almost certainly correctly!) that they were actually trying to minimize civilian casualties by not bombing Tokyo or mounting a land invasion? Is it improbable to believe that an entire chain of command authorized those deaths without emotion? Does it require believing that Americans, as a whole, are the devil incarnate for such a thing to have happened? Like I said, maybe the words make people uncomfortable. But I don't think they are untrue.

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