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How about criticizing Hamas, a terrorist organization, for shooting rockets at civilian populations of a country with one of the most advanced armies of the wor

How about criticizing Hamas, a terrorist organization, for shooting rockets at civilian populations of a country with one of the most advanced armies of the world? How about criticizing Hamas for shooting these rockets from civilian centers? Seems like the media is willfully ignorant here. Then you have nonsense like: https://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5912189/yes-gaza-militants-hide-rockets-in-schools-but-israel-doesnt-have-to https://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5912189/yes-gaza-militants-hid... Clearly this smells foul.

sofixa 5y ago
> How about criticizing Hamas for shooting these rockets from civilian centers? How about criticizing Israel, a country with one of the most advanced militaries in the world, for bombing civilians that can't defend themselves, in retaliation for very basic level attacks by a terrorist group Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself from? Hamas are the bad guys, Israel are even worse because they could show restraint and not murder civilians, not evict Arabs and resettle their lands with Jews and all the other war crimey shit they do, yet they still do that, under a very corrupt leader that mostly stays in power with nationalistic and proto-fascistic rhetoric.
roelschroeven 5y ago
How about criticizing both Hamas and Israel for shooting rockets at civilians? Blame can go both ways. On top of that, many people, me included, criticize Israel for illegally occupying Palestinian territory, stealing houses from Arab Israels, and generally treating Palestinians as second-rate citizens and worse. There's simply no excuse for that. Imagine yourself in a situation like that. Whatever you do, whoever you complain to, the situation only gets worse. You're helpless against enormous injustice. While I don't condone violence, I do understand why people resort to violence when everything else fails.
runarberg 5y ago
> How about criticizing Hamas for shooting these rockets from civilian centers? Looking at google maps it sure seems that the IDF does the same, keeping their headquarters in the middle of densely populated center of Tel Aviv. Between a large hospital and a shopping mall. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Israel+Defense+Forces/@32.0766787,34.7859726,16z/data=!4m9!1m2!2m1!1sIDF!3m5!1s0x0:0xcb45a952248469a5!8m2!3d32.0757868!4d34.79028!15sCgNJREZaCgoDaWRmIgNpZGaSAQ1taWxpdGFyeV9iYXNlmgEjQ2haRFNVaE5NRzluUzBWSlEwRm5TVVE0ZG1SbFZHTjNFQUU https://www.google.com/maps/place/Israel+Defense+Forces/@32.... If you are gonna both-sides this, you should commit to it.
banannaise 5y ago
Are you asking Hamas to walk out into the desert and build a base there? This is equivalent to the Revolutionary War-era Brits telling the colonists to fight fairly instead of hiding in the woods. Fighting fair is for fair fights. In unfair fights, people use the tactics available to them. If Hamas were to build a purely military base, it would be leveled and everyone on it would be dead within two days. One might suspect at that point that they weren't seriously trying. It is not the Palestinians' job to submit quietly to gradual but violent displacement by an occupying outside force. It is also not the Palestinians' job to make a big show of getting murdered in an open field with honor. Those are not the requirements for a people to be defended from ethnic cleansing.

sofixa 5y ago

> How about criticizing Hamas for shooting these rockets from civilian centers? How about criticizing Israel, a country with one of the most advanced militaries in the world, for bombing civilians that can't defend themselves, in retaliation for very basic level attacks by a terrorist group Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself from? Hamas are the bad guys, Israel are even worse because they could show restraint and not murder civilians, not evict Arabs and resettle their lands with Jews and all the other war crimey shit they do, yet they still do that, under a very corrupt leader that mostly stays in power with nationalistic and proto-fascistic rhetoric.

roelschroeven 5y ago

How about criticizing both Hamas and Israel for shooting rockets at civilians? Blame can go both ways. On top of that, many people, me included, criticize Israel for illegally occupying Palestinian territory, stealing houses from Arab Israels, and generally treating Palestinians as second-rate citizens and worse. There's simply no excuse for that. Imagine yourself in a situation like that. Whatever you do, whoever you complain to, the situation only gets worse. You're helpless against enormous injustice. While I don't condone violence, I do understand why people resort to violence when everything else fails.

runarberg 5y ago

> How about criticizing Hamas for shooting these rockets from civilian centers? Looking at google maps it sure seems that the IDF does the same, keeping their headquarters in the middle of densely populated center of Tel Aviv. Between a large hospital and a shopping mall. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Israel+Defense+Forces/@32.0766787,34.7859726,16z/data=!4m9!1m2!2m1!1sIDF!3m5!1s0x0:0xcb45a952248469a5!8m2!3d32.0757868!4d34.79028!15sCgNJREZaCgoDaWRmIgNpZGaSAQ1taWxpdGFyeV9iYXNlmgEjQ2haRFNVaE5NRzluUzBWSlEwRm5TVVE0ZG1SbFZHTjNFQUU https://www.google.com/maps/place/Israel+Defense+Forces/@32.... If you are gonna both-sides this, you should commit to it.

banannaise 5y ago

Are you asking Hamas to walk out into the desert and build a base there? This is equivalent to the Revolutionary War-era Brits telling the colonists to fight fairly instead of hiding in the woods. Fighting fair is for fair fights. In unfair fights, people use the tactics available to them. If Hamas were to build a purely military base, it would be leveled and everyone on it would be dead within two days. One might suspect at that point that they weren't seriously trying. It is not the Palestinians' job to submit quietly to gradual but violent displacement by an occupying outside force. It is also not the Palestinians' job to make a big show of getting murdered in an open field with honor. Those are not the requirements for a people to be defended from ethnic cleansing.