Thanks for your reply. It's not that I don't want any DOM, it's that I specifically don't want "the" DOM as seen in web browsers. What I want is a scene graph

Thanks for your reply. It's not that I don't want any DOM, it's that I specifically don't want "the" DOM as seen in web browsers. What I want is a scene graph without layout or CSS, but with events and transform nodes and the like. You can get close to this in web DOM just by making everything absolute and just not using CSS, but without a way to measure text before drawing it, you can't do your own layout properly. It looks like Sciter might be what I need to build on top of though, I will look into it further.