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Sure, because life on Gaza strip on 2006 was all moonlight and roses. Hell even going back 30 years ago you wouldn't find much difference [0]. I wonder what pol

by mtrovo 5y ago

Sure, because life on Gaza strip on 2006 was all moonlight and roses. Hell even going back 30 years ago you wouldn't find much difference [0]. I wonder what political force or nation could be benefiting from this constant chaos. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(comics) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(comics)

golemiprague 5y ago
The peace process was in 1996, not 2006. Hamas doesn't accept the partition decision of 1948, even fatach don't really accept it because they ask for "right of return", meaning all Arabs who used to be in Israel area in 1948 and their descendant should have a right to go back to Israel, effectively destroying Israe as a Jewish country. So sometimes this political stance manifest itself in a type of violence, like the suicide bombs during the Oslo agreement times in the 90', which caused it to derail and become more of a war than a peace process. But even if they were the most peaceful people in the world, their stance doesn't change, that Israel should be another Arab country. So the only option for Jews is either to live Israel or live under some Arab dictatorship, like any other middle eastern Arab country.
betterunix2 5y ago
Is that supposed to be some kind of excuse for derailing the peace process? Are you actually denying that progress toward a two-state solution happened between the Oslo Accords in 1993 and Hamas taking power in 2006? Like it or not the government of Israel and the PLO made a good-faith effort to establish a legitimate Palestinian state. It is not an easy task, the solution is not simple and there are a lot of legitimate grievances on both sides that need to be sorted out. Unfortunately groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and various other terrorist organizations have derailed that process. There is no cabal hiding in the background and pulling the strings to sow chaos in Palestinian society (do people really need to be told that wild conspiracy theories are nonsense?).
- lacksconfidence 5y ago
  The median age in palestine is (was, 2014) 18 years old. Compare to 30 in israel or 40 in france. Like it or not the vast majority of palestinians alive today had nothing to do with what hamas did 15 years ago. They were mostly children or not even born yet.
  - betterunix2 5y ago
    What does that have to do with the fact that Hamas derailed the peace process and continues to be the most significant obstacle to peace?
    - lacksconfidence 5y ago
      As far as i can tell you are advocating to punish the residents of pallestine because some time ago, when most of the current residents were either children or unborn, someone else did a bad thing. To me that seems exceptionally unjust.
      - betterunix2 5y ago
        How am I saying anything of the sort? Regardless of when the people were born, it is a fact that they do not have a functioning government. It is a fact that Hamas derailed the effort to establish that government, and that Hamas has repeatedly interfered with those efforts over the past 15 years and continues to do so now. I am not "advocating" anything, I am simply stating the reality of the Palestinian situation today and why they are in that situation. You seem to think Hamas is some long-past group. Hamas controls Gaza today; they are the ones launching rockets at Israel right now. Hamas remains the most significant obstacle to peace between Israelis and Palestinians right now. As the rulers of Gaza, Hamas has been a brutally repressive regime, roughly on the level of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Hamas deliberately spreads their military assets across densely populated civilian areas in order to maximize civilian casualties during war. The Hamas charter says that the role of women in society is to produce more men. They have cracked down on hip-hop, baggy pants, hair salons, and even indigenous Palestinian folk tales. I personally think the Palestinians deserve better than Hamas. Why do you keep dismissing the overwhelmingly negative impact this group has had on the Palestinian people? Why do you keep looking for a way to deny the role Hamas has played and continues to play in preventing the formation of an effective civil government and a functioning Palestinian state?

by mtrovo 5y ago

golemiprague 5y ago

The peace process was in 1996, not 2006. Hamas doesn't accept the partition decision of 1948, even fatach don't really accept it because they ask for "right of return", meaning all Arabs who used to be in Israel area in 1948 and their descendant should have a right to go back to Israel, effectively destroying Israe as a Jewish country. So sometimes this political stance manifest itself in a type of violence, like the suicide bombs during the Oslo agreement times in the 90', which caused it to derail and become more of a war than a peace process. But even if they were the most peaceful people in the world, their stance doesn't change, that Israel should be another Arab country. So the only option for Jews is either to live Israel or live under some Arab dictatorship, like any other middle eastern Arab country.

betterunix2 5y ago

Is that supposed to be some kind of excuse for derailing the peace process? Are you actually denying that progress toward a two-state solution happened between the Oslo Accords in 1993 and Hamas taking power in 2006? Like it or not the government of Israel and the PLO made a good-faith effort to establish a legitimate Palestinian state. It is not an easy task, the solution is not simple and there are a lot of legitimate grievances on both sides that need to be sorted out. Unfortunately groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and various other terrorist organizations have derailed that process. There is no cabal hiding in the background and pulling the strings to sow chaos in Palestinian society (do people really need to be told that wild conspiracy theories are nonsense?).

lacksconfidence 5y ago
The median age in palestine is (was, 2014) 18 years old. Compare to 30 in israel or 40 in france. Like it or not the vast majority of palestinians alive today had nothing to do with what hamas did 15 years ago. They were mostly children or not even born yet.
- betterunix2 5y ago
  What does that have to do with the fact that Hamas derailed the peace process and continues to be the most significant obstacle to peace?
  - lacksconfidence 5y ago
    As far as i can tell you are advocating to punish the residents of pallestine because some time ago, when most of the current residents were either children or unborn, someone else did a bad thing. To me that seems exceptionally unjust.
    - betterunix2 5y ago
      How am I saying anything of the sort? Regardless of when the people were born, it is a fact that they do not have a functioning government. It is a fact that Hamas derailed the effort to establish that government, and that Hamas has repeatedly interfered with those efforts over the past 15 years and continues to do so now. I am not "advocating" anything, I am simply stating the reality of the Palestinian situation today and why they are in that situation. You seem to think Hamas is some long-past group. Hamas controls Gaza today; they are the ones launching rockets at Israel right now. Hamas remains the most significant obstacle to peace between Israelis and Palestinians right now. As the rulers of Gaza, Hamas has been a brutally repressive regime, roughly on the level of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Hamas deliberately spreads their military assets across densely populated civilian areas in order to maximize civilian casualties during war. The Hamas charter says that the role of women in society is to produce more men. They have cracked down on hip-hop, baggy pants, hair salons, and even indigenous Palestinian folk tales. I personally think the Palestinians deserve better than Hamas. Why do you keep dismissing the overwhelmingly negative impact this group has had on the Palestinian people? Why do you keep looking for a way to deny the role Hamas has played and continues to play in preventing the formation of an effective civil government and a functioning Palestinian state?