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Fair enough! Still, I'm thinking many javascript pages query to find out the browser environment and also act accordingly. I do agree with the security complain

Fair enough! Still, I'm thinking many javascript pages query to find out the browser environment and also act accordingly. I do agree with the security complaint, however I also like web apps. I do think that you are sort of implying that web applets can't determine which jvm they're running under, is this really the case? Was there any reason that the java webapp folks prevented the applet from inquiring of the java version? This page chats about the version stuff for applets, it seems even with applets there was some options for picking the java version: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/deploy/applet_dev_guide.html https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/deplo... You've made a nice argument for bundling the jvm so maybe I should change my inclination there, especially since I do like avoiding depencencies.

jolux 5y ago
> I do agree with the security complaint, however I also like web apps. Java applets are basically dead at this point, it’s all JS. > I do think that you are sort of implying that web applets can't determine which jvm they're running under, is this really the case? Was there any reason that the java webapp folks prevented the applet from inquiring of the java version? I never wrote applets but the point I was trying to make is that your environment is fundamentally unknown in that context. You could query for different versions and so on, but you would probably never know for sure because you don’t control the runtime environment (everything from the JVM down to the OS). This was supposed to be a big selling point of Java and it has for the most part turned out to be more trouble than it’s worth. That’s all.