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The questions are: - Does Google deliberatly blurring Gaza strip? - Who benefits by artificially degraded quality of Gaza maps? - Does Google quietly taking
by Trias11 5y ago
The questions are:
- Does Google deliberatly blurring Gaza strip?
- Who benefits by artificially degraded quality of Gaza maps?
- Does Google quietly taking political sides?
- DSingularity 5y ago- Yes. - Israel. - Yes, see how they took a position on the heart of this issue — the occupied territories themselves. They literally erased Palestine from the map.
- alisonkisk 5y agoGoogle did not erase Palestine. You can search "Palestine" on Maps and be shown Gaza Strip and West Bank, areas that were named before Google existed.
- slg 5y ago>- Yes, see how they took a position on the heart of this issue — the occupied territories themselves. They literally erased Palestine from the map. The US government doesn't recognize Palestine. Therefore displaying the occupied territories as a distinct state would be the more politicalized option compared with displaying them as they currently do. Either way, it just goes to show that the idea of a company being apolitical becomes more difficult as it grows and eventually becomes impossible when you reach Google's size. There is no potential choice here that isn't going to be viewed politically.
- nashashmi 5y agoThe UN recognizes Palestine as do many other countries. The US was motivated not to recognize it because of the Israeli diaspora in America.
- bostonvaulter2 5y agoThe list of states that recognize Palestine was very surprising to me. Basically it seems like only the "first-world" nations that do not recognize Palestine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_t...
- sien 5y agoThanks for that link. It's remarkable.
- DSingularity 5y agoIe the colonizing powers of this planet
- slg 5y agoThe reasoning behind the government's decision is irrelevant here. Google is a company headquartered in the US. Going against the official policy of the US government is a more politicalized move than going with the status quo. Side note, you should be careful using Israeli and Jewish as interchangeable terms. There is no such thing as an "Israeli diaspora".
- whatshisface 5y ago>Going against the official policy of the US government is a more politicalized move than going with the status quo. How can this be when the policy of the US government is itself determined by politics in its original, non-metaphorical form?
- slg 5y agoI don't understand what you are getting at. If the US recognized Palestine that would also be a policy "determined by politics in its original, non-metaphorical form". There is no apolitical answer to the question of whether to recognize Palestine as a sovereign state.
- whatshisface 5y agoIf there's no apolitical answer, then going with the status quo isn't an apolitical answer.
- slg 5y agoIt seems like you agree with me but are framing your comments as if you disagree. In my first comment I said: >There is no potential choice here that isn't going to be viewed politically. Maybe the two negatives in that sentence are throwing people off, but I can rephrase it to say "There is no apolitical choice here." However any choice that goes against the status quo is going to be perceived as more political than a choice that accepts the status quo. That is just a general statement and isn't specific to the debate about recognition of Palestine.
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- betterunix2 5y agoThe United States worked with Israel for years, and has continued to some degree even now, to establish a legitimate and functional Palestinian state. The reason the US does not recognize Palestine is that right now there is not a fully formed Palestinian government. The PA never fully exerted its influence or enforced its own laws in the West Bank and has completely lost control of Gaza to a terrorist organization. I know it does not neatly fit your narrative about a Jewish conspiracy in America ("Israeli diaspora?" really?), but US support is one of the reasons there is any Palestinian self-governance at all, limited as it may be.
- nashashmi 5y agoConspiracy? None whatsoever. Support for Israel is public and apparent even from politicians and lobbyists. This has guided US votes and vetoes in the UN. This is not a “narrative” nor a hidden story. As far as PA exerting control, Israel has actively worked to keep the PA weak and frowned to recognize any sovereignty, even to this day keeping occupation forces inside and protecting illegal settlements. > The reason the US does not recognize Palestine is that right now there is not a fully formed Palestinian government. This is a funny narrative. Afghanistan does not not have a full government but that does not mean they are not recognized.
- vanusa 5y agoThe US was motivated not to recognize it because of the Israeli diaspora in America. There isn't much of an "Israeli diaspora" to speak of the the U.S. At most it makes up 2-3 percent of the Jewish descendant (or identified) population. "Pro-Israel sentiment in Congress; more specifically, a sentiment favoring the current political status quo in Israel in regard to this particular issue" would be a better description of the proximate cause behind the current US policy, here.
- shaya 5y agoWell, you actually don't know the facts. Palestine is a land, it was called that way even when the time of the British mandate, before WWII. Are the arabs that lived there are Palestinians? Yes. But what you don't mention is that also the jews that lived there were called Palestinians. The land of Israel and Palestine are exactly the same thing. There are arab Palestinians and jew Palestinians. They were not so smart to not take the UN partition plan for Palestine, which the jews accepted. So, right now the entire land is part of Israel :) Here's an explanation of past Israel prime minister Golda Meir, which has a statue in Manhattan. https://youtu.be/lhjB9W8UEgk https://youtu.be/lhjB9W8UEgk
- DSingularity 5y agoWell, you actually don’t know the facts. Did Jews live there before the British? Yes. But what you don’t mention is that they were under 8% of the total population. Of course, given what you already omit, you also omit that those 8% owned only 2% of the land. So tell me, why would the 92% accept that so much of what is rightfully theirs would be forcefully taken from them and given to a minority population? Especially when, at this point in 1947, so many of them were settlers who emigrated from Europe to colonize Palestinian land. But you know, for someone who claims to know the facts, it sure seems like you are purposefully spreading disinformation.
- slg 5y agoI don't know where your numbers are coming from, but they are at the very least misleading because the population was not exclusively made up of Jews and the group we now call Palestinians and not all land was privately owned. EDIT: I rephrased this to more clearly explain my point.
- sudosysgen 5y agoI don't understand your argument. Jewish Palestinians plus non-Jewish Palestinians do make up 100% of Palestinians.
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- 2rsf 5y agoPalestine with it's borders comes up perfectly with my Google maps
- hereme888 5y agoPalestine is not a country. Never has been. Its just a geographical area first established by the Romans, and always handed down to another country.
- EvilEy3 5y agoYou forgot: - Did I fix my tinfoil hat?
- oogabooga123 5y agoJIDF in action, ladies and gentlemen
- f430 5y agoNot sure about sides here but if you launch rockets into cities indiscriminately and then the building where you keep your weapons, communication center using human shields after warning residents well ahead of time that the building will be blown up, actually gets taken out who is at fault here? Why are people even defending Hamas???! Does Israel not have right to defend itself? Is Israel like South Korea who gets attacked regularly and does nothing and opens itself up escalating levels of attack?
- anonymousDan 5y agohttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/17/palestinians-sheikh-jarrah-jerusalem-city-identity https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/17/palest...
- f430 5y agocurious but how many alt nick accounts do you have on this website?
- anonymousDan 5y agoHuh? The parent seemed to be oblivious as to the reasons why some people would have sympathy for the Palestinians. I posted an article giving the perspective of a Palestinian in the midst of the situation.
- loceng 5y agoThey're avoiding engaging in critical thinking, compassion, so they can maintain their ideologue-blind hate. You must be an anti-semite because you're having compassion for all sides. /s
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- alisonkisk 5y ago