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>Even if it was a lab release, it's still a natural virus and could have happened without the lab release. That is not the assertion being made by the scientis

>Even if it was a lab release, it's still a natural virus and could have happened without the lab release. That is not the assertion being made by the scientists pushing for the investigation. The assertion is that this is a chimeric virus that very much does NOT show up in nature and its lab-made qualities are precisely why it became a global pandemic. Or would you take it as pure coincidence that the first truly global pandemic in however many decades you'd like just happened to be lab made?

mirekrusin 5y ago
It still doesn't change anything, this type of research is getting too easy/too cheap to say that policy can save us from it. Somewhere someone will be doing it knowing the goal is to invoke genocide like final solution.
feanaro 5y ago
Was the Spanish flu also manufactured? Clearly there is such a thing as natural pandemics.
- saas_sam 5y ago
  OP: "This virus was natural therefore any investigations into its artificiality are moot." Me: "This virus has unique qualities that made it especially contagious, so its artificiality is not moot." You: "Other viruses in the past were also bad." Me, now: Yes, other viruses in the past were also bad. If you meant that to relate to the previous comments I think you left out the important bits. It's like if we were discussing whether we should investigate if someone caused a deadly landslide. Why would you argue that we shouldn't look into it simply because landslides also happen naturally? If there are empty crates of TNT on the top of the hill, shouldn't we look into it?
  - feanaro 5y ago
    I wasn't arguing not to investigate. I don't think there's a good reason to say with certainty that it shouldn't be looked into. What happened is that (I think) I misinterpreted this statement: > Or would you take it as pure coincidence that the first truly global pandemic in however many decades you'd like just happened to be lab made? Upon re-reading, it seems you're saying that if this virus turned out to be lab-made, this fact might have something to do with it becoming a global pandemic (through an increased probability of spreading worldwide). Whereas you're not saying that the fact that this became a global pandemic indicates that it is lab-made, which is how I misinterpreted it initially.
    - saas_sam 5y ago
      Thank you, upvoted. I appreciate your politeness.

mirekrusin 5y ago

It still doesn't change anything, this type of research is getting too easy/too cheap to say that policy can save us from it. Somewhere someone will be doing it knowing the goal is to invoke genocide like final solution.

feanaro 5y ago

Was the Spanish flu also manufactured? Clearly there is such a thing as natural pandemics.

saas_sam 5y ago
OP: "This virus was natural therefore any investigations into its artificiality are moot." Me: "This virus has unique qualities that made it especially contagious, so its artificiality is not moot." You: "Other viruses in the past were also bad." Me, now: Yes, other viruses in the past were also bad. If you meant that to relate to the previous comments I think you left out the important bits. It's like if we were discussing whether we should investigate if someone caused a deadly landslide. Why would you argue that we shouldn't look into it simply because landslides also happen naturally? If there are empty crates of TNT on the top of the hill, shouldn't we look into it?
- feanaro 5y ago
  I wasn't arguing not to investigate. I don't think there's a good reason to say with certainty that it shouldn't be looked into. What happened is that (I think) I misinterpreted this statement: > Or would you take it as pure coincidence that the first truly global pandemic in however many decades you'd like just happened to be lab made? Upon re-reading, it seems you're saying that if this virus turned out to be lab-made, this fact might have something to do with it becoming a global pandemic (through an increased probability of spreading worldwide). Whereas you're not saying that the fact that this became a global pandemic indicates that it is lab-made, which is how I misinterpreted it initially.
  - saas_sam 5y ago
    Thank you, upvoted. I appreciate your politeness.