7 ms·

I used to browse /r/india . Then one day Reddit recommended I check out /r/chodi (a sub full of memes and random talk). So I said sure, visited it, commented a

I used to browse /r/india . Then one day Reddit recommended I check out /r/chodi (a sub full of memes and random talk). So I said sure, visited it, commented a couple of times. Next thing I know, I'm banned from /r/india. For participating in a sub that was recommended by Reddit itself! And there's no appealing these bans.

bhaak 5y ago
Mods can ban everyone for almost any or even no reason. Unless some racist or otherwise illegal reason would be given, the Reddit admins keep their hands off bans. But the recommendation level came from Reddit, not from the mods of /r/india.
fastball 5y ago
I'm not a big fan of Reddit as a company but that's not really their fault – that's a moderation problem (from the mods of /r/india). You liked the sub enough to comment in it so clearly it was a good rec!
- antibuddy 5y ago
  I would shift the blame back to Reddit here, because they exposed data to mods that are completely unrelated to the subreddit. Another problem is the non-existing appeal process.
  - thatfunkymunki 5y ago
    you're suggesting comments should not be visible on your profile? but visible on the page they are commented on? not sure how this would make sense.
    - floatingatoll 5y ago
      That wasn’t what I read, but it’s a lovely idea. Is that something we can have?
      - thatfunkymunki 5y ago
        this would have the effect of making everyone's activity private to everyone except for scrapers (the actual bad people nobody wants to see their activity). Not sure how this would increase privacy at all. Activity on reddit outside of private subreddits is known to be public
  - throwaway3699 5y ago
    There is no technological solution to most social problems, and you can hardly expect Reddit to mediate social problems like ban appeals at scale (I mean, you can, but it won't happen for $ reasons). Most of the big subreddits are co-opted by toxic, power-mad moderators, or completely devoid of moderation entirely. A complete purge & reset wouldn't be a bad idea.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >I would shift the blame back to Reddit here, because they exposed data to mods that are completely unrelated to the subreddit. GP mentioned that he "commented a couple of times", which means that his participation in the other subreddit is public knowledge.
    - 1024core 5y ago
      "participation" can take multiple forms. As far as I remember, I actually challenged some of the more egregious posts I saw on /r/chodi, but didn't spend too much time there, as who has the time to educate the whole planet? If that other sub is so bad, then Reddit should ban it outright; why recommend it to users only to get them banned in other subs?
      - gruez 5y ago
        >If that other sub is so bad, then Reddit should ban it outright Because reddit is generally hands off when it comes to moderation. It generally doesn't replace moderators nor punishes moderators for their actions. >why recommend it to users only to get them banned in other subs? probably because the recommendation algorithm isn't smart enough to figure that out.
  - Manuel_D 5y ago
    Using a VPN and alt accounts are practically a necessity. I have 3 main accounts: one only posts on niche hobby forums, one for "clean" subreddits (/r/news, pics and the like), and one for anything remotely controversial.
    - spookthesunset 5y ago
      Similar here. I differentiate by how little I care about revealing my actual identity and location. Like for hobbies and stuff I really don’t care if people know my approximate location. But for some stuff… dudes are crazy. Would rather not get doxxed.
    - 1024core 5y ago
      Maybe this is how Reddit is juicing the numbers; force users to create several alts, and voila! our DAU are up!!1!
  - andrewzah 5y ago
    Anyone can build a bot that automatically watches any submissions to any subreddit, and bans those users from their subreddit. Like it or hate it, reddit is very hands-off with how subreddits are moderated beyond maintaining overall site rules. Most larger subreddits are managed pretty poorly.
manigandham 5y ago
Reddit has disclosed that even your upvotes on other posts and comments that they deem unsavory can be used to automatically ban you.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  Most bans are done by moderators, and moderators don't have access to upvote information.
at_a_remove 5y ago
I can only imagine someone condescendingly explaining that this was a test of your ethical character. By participating in it or other subreddits, like /r/BigChungus, you exposed yourself as an agent of hate. And then someone who might as well have had their image traced for a picture on the also-banned /r/smuggies would say "The only winning move is not to play." Between that sort of nonsense and the redesign, they've Digg-ed themselves a hole and as soon as a viable competitor appears, it might just collapse as catastrophically.
- caslon 5y ago
  I don't think so. I don't like reddit, but none of this is actually meaningful. Their active user rate has gone up exponentially since the redesign. People getting banned globally is standard on other social media networks, and the vast majority of redditors aren't banned from any subreddits (with actual global site bans being incredibly rare, too). There's no reason that reddit would collapse if they maintain the status quo, because the status quo (while worse) is still better than 90% of other sites on the internet. The average quality of user has gone down, but that's inevitable online.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
tchalla 5y ago
> I check out /r/chodi (a sub full of memes and random talk) That sub seems to be regularly featured on r/AgainstHateSubReddits Misogyny https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/na9y6b/member_of_farright_hindu_nationalist_subreddit/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/na9y... Racism https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/ly6n85/rchodi_being_racist_about_the_whole_sikh/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/ly6n... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/jh3jn8/rchodi_endorsing_racism_against_northeast_indians/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/jh3j... Islamophobia : https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/ndorys/rchodi_we_want_a_fuhrer_not_a_pmtranslated/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/ndor... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mu1a45/muslims_breed_like_rats_put_them_in_detention/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mu1a... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/m71k9x/rchodi_6_year_old_muslims_arent_kids_they_are/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/m71k... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/nap70u/rchodi_explains_why_they_support_israel_dear/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/nap7... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mvha2f/rchodi_i_hate_95_of_muslims_because_most_of_them/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mvha... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/nbh1dq/rchodi_muslims_are_mosquitoesthey_bite_in_peace/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/nbh1... Transphobia https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mm0lt8/rchodi_more_transphobhia_and_also_some_casteism/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mm0l... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mfot18/rchodi_blatant_transphobia_as_if_the_muslim_sikh/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mfot...
- drost 5y ago
  I'm not saying those linked comments are not authentic, but r/AgainstHateSubreddits does post hateful content on subreddits they want to get banned.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    Sounds like a spontaneously organized social feedback community. Interesting.
tomrod 5y ago
You think that's bad, consider some of the ex-member affiliated subreddits for high demand religions. One in particular is monitored closely by official (employed by said religion) and unofficial member representatives and if any joint/xpost occurs it is immediate ban. The official side has been demurred as a "news clipping service" in the past. Same thing, different day, just a new platform to continue these kinds of failing sociological controls.

bhaak 5y ago

Mods can ban everyone for almost any or even no reason. Unless some racist or otherwise illegal reason would be given, the Reddit admins keep their hands off bans. But the recommendation level came from Reddit, not from the mods of /r/india.

fastball 5y ago

I'm not a big fan of Reddit as a company but that's not really their fault – that's a moderation problem (from the mods of /r/india). You liked the sub enough to comment in it so clearly it was a good rec!

antibuddy 5y ago
I would shift the blame back to Reddit here, because they exposed data to mods that are completely unrelated to the subreddit. Another problem is the non-existing appeal process.
- thatfunkymunki 5y ago
  you're suggesting comments should not be visible on your profile? but visible on the page they are commented on? not sure how this would make sense.
  - floatingatoll 5y ago
    That wasn’t what I read, but it’s a lovely idea. Is that something we can have?
    - thatfunkymunki 5y ago
      this would have the effect of making everyone's activity private to everyone except for scrapers (the actual bad people nobody wants to see their activity). Not sure how this would increase privacy at all. Activity on reddit outside of private subreddits is known to be public
- throwaway3699 5y ago
  There is no technological solution to most social problems, and you can hardly expect Reddit to mediate social problems like ban appeals at scale (I mean, you can, but it won't happen for $ reasons). Most of the big subreddits are co-opted by toxic, power-mad moderators, or completely devoid of moderation entirely. A complete purge & reset wouldn't be a bad idea.
- gruez 5y ago
  >I would shift the blame back to Reddit here, because they exposed data to mods that are completely unrelated to the subreddit. GP mentioned that he "commented a couple of times", which means that his participation in the other subreddit is public knowledge.
  - 1024core 5y ago
    "participation" can take multiple forms. As far as I remember, I actually challenged some of the more egregious posts I saw on /r/chodi, but didn't spend too much time there, as who has the time to educate the whole planet? If that other sub is so bad, then Reddit should ban it outright; why recommend it to users only to get them banned in other subs?
    - gruez 5y ago
      >If that other sub is so bad, then Reddit should ban it outright Because reddit is generally hands off when it comes to moderation. It generally doesn't replace moderators nor punishes moderators for their actions. >why recommend it to users only to get them banned in other subs? probably because the recommendation algorithm isn't smart enough to figure that out.
- Manuel_D 5y ago
  Using a VPN and alt accounts are practically a necessity. I have 3 main accounts: one only posts on niche hobby forums, one for "clean" subreddits (/r/news, pics and the like), and one for anything remotely controversial.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    Similar here. I differentiate by how little I care about revealing my actual identity and location. Like for hobbies and stuff I really don’t care if people know my approximate location. But for some stuff… dudes are crazy. Would rather not get doxxed.
  - 1024core 5y ago
    Maybe this is how Reddit is juicing the numbers; force users to create several alts, and voila! our DAU are up!!1!
- andrewzah 5y ago
  Anyone can build a bot that automatically watches any submissions to any subreddit, and bans those users from their subreddit. Like it or hate it, reddit is very hands-off with how subreddits are moderated beyond maintaining overall site rules. Most larger subreddits are managed pretty poorly.

manigandham 5y ago

Reddit has disclosed that even your upvotes on other posts and comments that they deem unsavory can be used to automatically ban you.

londons_explore 5y ago
Most bans are done by moderators, and moderators don't have access to upvote information.

at_a_remove 5y ago

I can only imagine someone condescendingly explaining that this was a test of your ethical character. By participating in it or other subreddits, like /r/BigChungus, you exposed yourself as an agent of hate. And then someone who might as well have had their image traced for a picture on the also-banned /r/smuggies would say "The only winning move is not to play." Between that sort of nonsense and the redesign, they've Digg-ed themselves a hole and as soon as a viable competitor appears, it might just collapse as catastrophically.

caslon 5y ago
I don't think so. I don't like reddit, but none of this is actually meaningful. Their active user rate has gone up exponentially since the redesign. People getting banned globally is standard on other social media networks, and the vast majority of redditors aren't banned from any subreddits (with actual global site bans being incredibly rare, too). There's no reason that reddit would collapse if they maintain the status quo, because the status quo (while worse) is still better than 90% of other sites on the internet. The average quality of user has gone down, but that's inevitable online.

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]

tchalla 5y ago

> I check out /r/chodi (a sub full of memes and random talk) That sub seems to be regularly featured on r/AgainstHateSubReddits Misogyny https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/na9y6b/member_of_farright_hindu_nationalist_subreddit/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/na9y... Racism https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/ly6n85/rchodi_being_racist_about_the_whole_sikh/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/ly6n... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/jh3jn8/rchodi_endorsing_racism_against_northeast_indians/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/jh3j... Islamophobia : https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/ndorys/rchodi_we_want_a_fuhrer_not_a_pmtranslated/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/ndor... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mu1a45/muslims_breed_like_rats_put_them_in_detention/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mu1a... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/m71k9x/rchodi_6_year_old_muslims_arent_kids_they_are/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/m71k... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/nap70u/rchodi_explains_why_they_support_israel_dear/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/nap7... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mvha2f/rchodi_i_hate_95_of_muslims_because_most_of_them/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mvha... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/nbh1dq/rchodi_muslims_are_mosquitoesthey_bite_in_peace/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/nbh1... Transphobia https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mm0lt8/rchodi_more_transphobhia_and_also_some_casteism/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mm0l... https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mfot18/rchodi_blatant_transphobia_as_if_the_muslim_sikh/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/mfot...

drost 5y ago
I'm not saying those linked comments are not authentic, but r/AgainstHateSubreddits does post hateful content on subreddits they want to get banned.
- tomrod 5y ago
  Sounds like a spontaneously organized social feedback community. Interesting.

tomrod 5y ago

You think that's bad, consider some of the ex-member affiliated subreddits for high demand religions. One in particular is monitored closely by official (employed by said religion) and unofficial member representatives and if any joint/xpost occurs it is immediate ban. The official side has been demurred as a "news clipping service" in the past. Same thing, different day, just a new platform to continue these kinds of failing sociological controls.