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That's such trivialization of the word "apartheid", considering Gazans are under their own rule and that 20% of Israel are equal rights Arabs (something like 10

That's such trivialization of the word "apartheid", considering Gazans are under their own rule and that 20% of Israel are equal rights Arabs (something like 10% in France, for example). It has become a political term, but meaningless in practice.

yoavm 5y ago
Israeli here. I find the word apartheid pretty suitable to describe the situation of Palestinians living in the West Bank - no citizenship or voting right, many issues with land ownership, a majority controlled by a minority, etc etc.
- flyinglizard 5y ago
  Yes but this was referring to Gaza. Do you think that post disengagement Gazans live under "apartheid"? An Israeli can't even set foot there.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Do you think that post disengagement Gazans live under "apartheid"? Yes bantustans were an important part of apartheid, and Gaza is a bantustan on steroids. Both South Africa and Israel disclaimed responsibility for their respective bantustans, but at least South Africa at least formally granted them independence and (unsuccessfully, to be sure) tried to get them international recognition and engagement. Israel, while disclaiming responsibility, also takes active diplomatic steps to deny Palestinian territories recognition as independent and actively seeks to thwart any international engagement with them.
  - yoavm 5y ago
    The parent post didn't even mention Gaza (simply said "Israel is an apartheid state"), and you were the one who brought up lives of Israeli Arabs. For your question however, I don't think that apartheid is a suitable term to describe the terrible conditions Gazans are living in.
politithroway 5y ago
According to a recent Btselem study 25% of Israelis themselves think it's an appropriate term to use. https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/2021413_new_all_population_israeli_palestinian_survey https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/2021413_new_all_popul...
mtalantikite 5y ago
It does seem to fit the definition. A pretty good outline for the case: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MknerYjob0w&feature=youtu.be https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MknerYjob0w&feature=youtu.be

yoavm 5y ago

Israeli here. I find the word apartheid pretty suitable to describe the situation of Palestinians living in the West Bank - no citizenship or voting right, many issues with land ownership, a majority controlled by a minority, etc etc.

flyinglizard 5y ago
Yes but this was referring to Gaza. Do you think that post disengagement Gazans live under "apartheid"? An Israeli can't even set foot there.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Do you think that post disengagement Gazans live under "apartheid"? Yes bantustans were an important part of apartheid, and Gaza is a bantustan on steroids. Both South Africa and Israel disclaimed responsibility for their respective bantustans, but at least South Africa at least formally granted them independence and (unsuccessfully, to be sure) tried to get them international recognition and engagement. Israel, while disclaiming responsibility, also takes active diplomatic steps to deny Palestinian territories recognition as independent and actively seeks to thwart any international engagement with them.
- yoavm 5y ago
  The parent post didn't even mention Gaza (simply said "Israel is an apartheid state"), and you were the one who brought up lives of Israeli Arabs. For your question however, I don't think that apartheid is a suitable term to describe the terrible conditions Gazans are living in.

politithroway 5y ago

According to a recent Btselem study 25% of Israelis themselves think it's an appropriate term to use. https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/2021413_new_all_population_israeli_palestinian_survey https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/2021413_new_all_popul...

mtalantikite 5y ago

It does seem to fit the definition. A pretty good outline for the case: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MknerYjob0w&feature=youtu.be https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MknerYjob0w&feature=youtu.be