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This is similar to the common sentiment people have about advertising: It's so stupid... never works on anyone I know. I don't know why companies waste their mo
by dalbasal 5y ago
This is similar to the common sentiment people have about advertising: It's so stupid... never works on anyone I know. I don't know why companies waste their money.
Meanwhile, advertising is an industry that rivals energy, shipping and such. If that's not markt proof of efficacy, IDK what is. From the advertiser side of the advertiser-consumer relationship, there's no doubt of efficacy. You open an online business. No one shows up. You advertise. People show up. Profitable or not, the causality is plain.
Consumers only notice that ads piss them off. Advertisers only notice that ads make consumers do stuff, and both think the other is dumb.
Believing that Chinese propaganda is ineffective is naive. It's a carrot and stick system locally. Internationally it's just carrot, but carrot removal is a lot like the stick.
When Deng he decided to liberalize the Chinese market, he had some saying about the danger of letting flies in when you open a window for fresh air. Fresh air meant the economics. Flies meant cultural-political influences. Mcdonalds, yes. Youtube, no.
Now the tables are turned. US media, entertainment and sports companies want into China for its market size and growth potential. They enter on China's terms, and those terms are always unstated. Increasingly, they relate to stuff entirely outside China. Favoured companies will succeed, misbehavors will not and we will rarely be able to say exactly where "propaganda" is at play.
- scarmig 5y agoThe structural kind of propaganda is one thing: make sure American cultural products have to respect Chinese sensibilities, and that's huge. I'm speaking strictly of the hamfisted Twitter accounts and silly press releases that are meant for international consumption.
- dalbasal 5y agoI think the most hamfisted ones stand out the most, so we might be underestimating mean quality. Not sure it matters though. Twitter sockpuppeting is a recurring red herring, not just regarding china. For all the attention it receives, it's not a major component of any major effort. FWIW, I don't think anyone's is particularly slick. It's not intended to be. At best, it's about algorithm hacks and generating a veneer of debate. As "sentiment analysis" becomes integrated (intentionally, or accidentally) into recommendation engines and such... these may be more about fooling machines than people. Not saying this is a factor now (or ever, necessarily), just that stuff can look lame but still work. This article seems to be referencing registered lobbyist budgets, which is another relatively minor component. It's also relatively easy to obscure, or act through proxies. In some cases, proxy can be fairly nebulous... relating to what you call structural propaganda. The most visible parts are not necessarily good indicators, is my main point.
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- thehappypm 5y agoYep. I live right between a Home Depot and a Lowe's. I feel a better brand association with Home Depot. I couldn't really tell you why.
- chrismcb 5y agoWho has this sentiment about advertising? Some advertising is stupid, but in general it is not, and it obviously works.