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How old would those GPUs be? It might be great for those of us who just needs a reasonable GPU for older games and general desktop use.

dragontamer 6y ago
The 75W GPU market is completely stalled at Rx 560 and NVidia 1050 Ti IIRC. People still buy those because: 1. 75W is the maximum the PCIe x16 slot can power without any additional power (see 6-pin or 8-pin connectors). 2. 75W is too little to really make a "decent" GPU for modern AAA games. But still a huge step up from integrated graphics. Playing 5-year-old or 10-year-old games on lower settings is the only real possibility.
- my123 6y ago
  Better 75W GPUs are possible, but they would be quite expensive on a perf per dollar basis. An RTX 3070 Laptop GPU on a PCIe card would be quite nice, but the market for that isn't big.
  - SXX 6y ago
    Laptop 3070 would be sold out immediately. It's too good at mining and sometimes better than desktop part
Macha 6y ago
AMD's last 12nm GPUs were the Radeon 7, Vega 56 and Vega 64, which were all pretty much flops. The rx580, their preceding model did quite well for a few years as a last gen budget model. To my understanding, the radeon 7 and vega were expensive chips to produce. All of them used HBM, which contributed to this, and it's not clear how easy it would be to make a non-HBM variant. Would customers accept them if they needed the same MSRP as the 6xxx GPUs? So if they were to relaunch and old GPU I think the rx 580/590 at $200 would do. In this climate, $200 for a 1080p medium GPU would probably sell.
- dragontamer 6y ago
  Radeon VII was 7nm. Re-releasing the Vega cards would be excellent for ROCm programmers. AMD needs to do something to get beginner programmers onto their system cheaply. Radeon VII / Radeon VII Pro / MI25 seem like the cheapest option for cards still in production. Vega 56 / 64 still work if you can Ebay a used-card.
  - jedbrown 6y ago
    Radeon VII has comparable memory bandwidth to an RTX 3090 (or V100) and 7x the double precision performance of RTX 3090 for a quarter the cost. It has almost double the memory bandwidth of RX 6800 and 3x the double precision performance at half the price. It would be a compelling card today if it hadn't been EOL'd almost two years ago.
    - dragontamer 6y ago
      Radeon VII isn't really EOL'd. Its now called Radeon VII Pro and worth $2000. Or (EDIT: MI50: the MI25 is Vega64 IIRC). As long as AMD is selling those cards out at the higher price, there's no reason for the $700 price point to come back...
      - my123 6y ago
        It was a stopgap product that wasn't really profitable to reduce the gaming performance gap between NV and AMD. Its marketing wasn't that much targeted towards compute either. And as soon as they had cards with better gaming perf out, it outlived its usefulness in the AMD product matrix. Nvidia has the Titan V as a prosumer card with HBM2, 1/2 FP64 and all for $3k, but that seems to be out of stock nowadays too...
      - jedbrown 6y ago
        Agreed that it was EOL'd because it was priced too low, though the Pro also lifted the double precision throttle (3.5 TF to 6.5 TF) and added Infinity Fabric.
MangoCoffee 6y ago
AMD APU or Intel Xe for older games?

dragontamer 6y ago

The 75W GPU market is completely stalled at Rx 560 and NVidia 1050 Ti IIRC. People still buy those because: 1. 75W is the maximum the PCIe x16 slot can power without any additional power (see 6-pin or 8-pin connectors). 2. 75W is too little to really make a "decent" GPU for modern AAA games. But still a huge step up from integrated graphics. Playing 5-year-old or 10-year-old games on lower settings is the only real possibility.

my123 6y ago
Better 75W GPUs are possible, but they would be quite expensive on a perf per dollar basis. An RTX 3070 Laptop GPU on a PCIe card would be quite nice, but the market for that isn't big.
- SXX 6y ago
  Laptop 3070 would be sold out immediately. It's too good at mining and sometimes better than desktop part

Macha 6y ago

AMD's last 12nm GPUs were the Radeon 7, Vega 56 and Vega 64, which were all pretty much flops. The rx580, their preceding model did quite well for a few years as a last gen budget model. To my understanding, the radeon 7 and vega were expensive chips to produce. All of them used HBM, which contributed to this, and it's not clear how easy it would be to make a non-HBM variant. Would customers accept them if they needed the same MSRP as the 6xxx GPUs? So if they were to relaunch and old GPU I think the rx 580/590 at $200 would do. In this climate, $200 for a 1080p medium GPU would probably sell.

dragontamer 6y ago
Radeon VII was 7nm. Re-releasing the Vega cards would be excellent for ROCm programmers. AMD needs to do something to get beginner programmers onto their system cheaply. Radeon VII / Radeon VII Pro / MI25 seem like the cheapest option for cards still in production. Vega 56 / 64 still work if you can Ebay a used-card.
- jedbrown 6y ago
  Radeon VII has comparable memory bandwidth to an RTX 3090 (or V100) and 7x the double precision performance of RTX 3090 for a quarter the cost. It has almost double the memory bandwidth of RX 6800 and 3x the double precision performance at half the price. It would be a compelling card today if it hadn't been EOL'd almost two years ago.
  - dragontamer 6y ago
    Radeon VII isn't really EOL'd. Its now called Radeon VII Pro and worth $2000. Or (EDIT: MI50: the MI25 is Vega64 IIRC). As long as AMD is selling those cards out at the higher price, there's no reason for the $700 price point to come back...
    - my123 6y ago
      It was a stopgap product that wasn't really profitable to reduce the gaming performance gap between NV and AMD. Its marketing wasn't that much targeted towards compute either. And as soon as they had cards with better gaming perf out, it outlived its usefulness in the AMD product matrix. Nvidia has the Titan V as a prosumer card with HBM2, 1/2 FP64 and all for $3k, but that seems to be out of stock nowadays too...
    - jedbrown 6y ago
      Agreed that it was EOL'd because it was priced too low, though the Pro also lifted the double precision throttle (3.5 TF to 6.5 TF) and added Infinity Fabric.

MangoCoffee 6y ago

AMD APU or Intel Xe for older games?