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Much like the M1, I don't think anything actually wins benchmarks vs the iPhone. There's display refresh rate and a few multicore stores that are closer but in

Much like the M1, I don't think anything actually wins benchmarks vs the iPhone. There's display refresh rate and a few multicore stores that are closer but in any real world test, Single core dominance wins out. (Plus the big/little design in the A series chips is better than the three scales seen in QC chips as QC backfills the single large core with a ton of little cores to make the multicore numbers look competitive when in reality, any multithreaded task of two cores is much faster and you don't end up with mismatched race conditions.)

nottorp 5y ago
Are you sure? iOS has been more responsive from day 1 (I mean the first 2-3 iphone versions), when they were using an off the shelf CPU that everyone else had.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  I think the commenter is saying that iOS provides no discernible performance advancements over Android. If you ran Android on an M1, it likely would score just as well as an iOS/MacOS machine.
  - CitizenKane 5y ago
    It would be an interesting comparison. Non-apple silicon has definitely not been great and lags behind significantly. Would be very interesting to see what Android would be like on more modern CPU tech.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      Non-Apple has been perfectly fine. I mean, AMD was putting higher-performing APUs in laptops half the price of the M1 Macbook Air, and they did that 18 months before the M1 even hit the market. If you wanted an 8 core, 4ghz CPU with the GPU power of a 1050ti, the R74800u was prevalent in notebooks as cheap as $400, and was even lauded for a short period as one of the best budget gaming options on the laptop market. If you're exclusively referring to the handheld market though, then you're mostly right. Apple's big lead in this generation is mostly because of how fast they were able to buy out the world's 5nm node. The only real "Android" manufacturer doing the same thing is Samsung, which is only because they have the means to fab their own chips.
      - lupire 5y ago
        Is that AMD example running at similar wattage?
        smoldesu 5y ago
        It's pretty close. It's lowest TDP (before tinkering) rests at around 8-10w, and can get to 20-25w if you're running at full load (upper bounds normally come into play if the GPU is also running full blast. So no, it's the the same wattage, but it's similar enough to be a valid point of comparison, especially for a chip that appears in laptops half the price of the base Macbook Air. Plus, as time goes on, AMD seems to be getting better about power management. If you take a look at the latest reviews for the Surface Laptop 4 with Ryzen, many reviewers were surprised to find that it lasted nearly 17 hours of video playback.
      - sod 5y ago
        Yes, it's a bummer that Apple has a deathgrip on 5nm and after that 3nm. Zen2 would be incredible on 5nm. IMHO the improvements we saw with geforce 30XX series and zen 2 were 80% the switch to 7nm tsmc. I'd fully expect another jump if nvidia and amd were able to get their hands on 5nm, but it's apple exclusive for now :(. Well, at least we get huge investments in chip manufacturing thanks to apple throwing money at tsmc.
      - GeekyBear 5y ago
        > AMD was putting higher-performing APUs in laptops half the price of the M1 Macbook Air, and they did that 18 months before the M1 even hit the market APUs with Zen and Zen 2 cores were absolutely not outperforming the M1's Firestorm cores. >In SPECint2006, we’re now seeing the M1 close the gap to AMD’s Zen3, beating it in several workloads now, which increasing the gap to Intel’s new Tiger Lake design as well as their top-performing desktop CPU, which the M1 now beats in the majority of workloads. In the fp2006 workloads, we’re seeing the M1 post very large performance boosts relative to the A14, meaning that it now is able to claim the best performance out of all CPUs being compared here. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/4 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...

nottorp 5y ago

Are you sure? iOS has been more responsive from day 1 (I mean the first 2-3 iphone versions), when they were using an off the shelf CPU that everyone else had.

smoldesu 5y ago
I think the commenter is saying that iOS provides no discernible performance advancements over Android. If you ran Android on an M1, it likely would score just as well as an iOS/MacOS machine.
- CitizenKane 5y ago
  It would be an interesting comparison. Non-apple silicon has definitely not been great and lags behind significantly. Would be very interesting to see what Android would be like on more modern CPU tech.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Non-Apple has been perfectly fine. I mean, AMD was putting higher-performing APUs in laptops half the price of the M1 Macbook Air, and they did that 18 months before the M1 even hit the market. If you wanted an 8 core, 4ghz CPU with the GPU power of a 1050ti, the R74800u was prevalent in notebooks as cheap as $400, and was even lauded for a short period as one of the best budget gaming options on the laptop market. If you're exclusively referring to the handheld market though, then you're mostly right. Apple's big lead in this generation is mostly because of how fast they were able to buy out the world's 5nm node. The only real "Android" manufacturer doing the same thing is Samsung, which is only because they have the means to fab their own chips.
    - lupire 5y ago
      Is that AMD example running at similar wattage?
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        It's pretty close. It's lowest TDP (before tinkering) rests at around 8-10w, and can get to 20-25w if you're running at full load (upper bounds normally come into play if the GPU is also running full blast. So no, it's the the same wattage, but it's similar enough to be a valid point of comparison, especially for a chip that appears in laptops half the price of the base Macbook Air. Plus, as time goes on, AMD seems to be getting better about power management. If you take a look at the latest reviews for the Surface Laptop 4 with Ryzen, many reviewers were surprised to find that it lasted nearly 17 hours of video playback.
    - sod 5y ago
      Yes, it's a bummer that Apple has a deathgrip on 5nm and after that 3nm. Zen2 would be incredible on 5nm. IMHO the improvements we saw with geforce 30XX series and zen 2 were 80% the switch to 7nm tsmc. I'd fully expect another jump if nvidia and amd were able to get their hands on 5nm, but it's apple exclusive for now :(. Well, at least we get huge investments in chip manufacturing thanks to apple throwing money at tsmc.
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      > AMD was putting higher-performing APUs in laptops half the price of the M1 Macbook Air, and they did that 18 months before the M1 even hit the market APUs with Zen and Zen 2 cores were absolutely not outperforming the M1's Firestorm cores. >In SPECint2006, we’re now seeing the M1 close the gap to AMD’s Zen3, beating it in several workloads now, which increasing the gap to Intel’s new Tiger Lake design as well as their top-performing desktop CPU, which the M1 now beats in the majority of workloads. In the fp2006 workloads, we’re seeing the M1 post very large performance boosts relative to the A14, meaning that it now is able to claim the best performance out of all CPUs being compared here. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/4 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...