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I'd say "Florida secured their elderly population more quickly and carefully than in New York" misses the fact that New York ACTIVELY put its elderly in harms w

I'd say "Florida secured their elderly population more quickly and carefully than in New York" misses the fact that New York ACTIVELY put its elderly in harms way by requiring nursing homes take patients. If New York ONLY ignored the problem that'd be one thing... but they actively made decisions that led to a large number of deaths - and more importantly those decisions were AGAINST the CDC guidelines.

orblivion 5y ago
Heh, well there you go. I wanted to avoid that point to avoid politics (per the OP's request), but yes. Also I think I heard NY wasn't the only state that did this.
- exegete 5y ago
  NJ also did this
  - EricE 5y ago
    Michigan too. all with disastrous results.
- wernercd 5y ago
  Well, truth be told, I didn't bring up the politics of it.. just the simple truth. WHY they made the decisions is a rabbit hole... but the facts are simple.
belltaco 5y ago
>If New York ONLY ignored the problem that'd be one thing So where would recovered nursing home residents go? Keep staying in the hospital which would mean active covid patients would die in the streets? Or the streets?
- orblivion 5y ago
  I think this is a fair question. I don't think it was anybody's intention to deliberately kill people. Even assuming the worst about people's nature, it's just not great for political careers. I imagine there was a reason for the decision however ill considered.
  - EricE 5y ago
    Orange Man Bad seems to be the only justification for not using the hospital ship and temporary hospitals the feds sent. Pretty shitty. That people are willing to gaslight around it over politics is shittier still.
- exegete 5y ago
  In hindsight to one of the many unused field hospitals? But at the time we didn’t know how effective the mitigations were going to be and fully expected the field hospitals to be full
  - belltaco 5y ago
    Not to mention the USS Comfort was banned from accepting any Covid patient.
- sam_4675 5y ago
  From experience in another state, they go first to the hospital, secondly back into nursing home but into isolated quarantined floors with specially trained fully covered ppe'd staff until several times testing negative, then into warm floor, then back to normal resident floor. Not as I believe initially was case in NY from hospital directly into regular resident floor.
  - EricE 5y ago
    They also sent non eldery COVID infected patients to nursing homes. https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/20-year-old-beating-suspect-was-moved-to-nursing-home-because-he-has-covid-19-says-father https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/20-year-old-beating... And Cuomo has the balls to write a book patting himself on the back for doing such a good job? Utterly disgusting!
- wernercd 5y ago
  This has nothing to do with "recovered NHs (nursing home) patients"... this has to do with housing COVID patients in NHs. This ain't "grandma went to the hospital and got sent back to the nursing home" and it was never about that. Hospitals were over stressed so they sent sick people to nursing homes. https://apnews.com/article/new-york-andrew-cuomo-us-news-coronavirus-pandemic-nursing-homes-512cae0abb55a55f375b3192f2cdd6b5 https://apnews.com/article/new-york-andrew-cuomo-us-news-cor... "More than 9,000 recovering coronavirus patients in New York state were released from hospitals into nursing homes early in the pandemic under a controversial directive that was scrapped amid criticism it accelerated outbreaks, according to new records obtained by The Associated Press." Notice: Not "9000 NH patients sent back from the hospital". 9000 individuals NOT nursing home patients sent to NHs New York, AGAINST CDC guidelines, forced NHs to house sick people that weren't prepared to handle them - and THOUSANDS of old people died because they then got sick from the influx of COVID patients. You have some seriously confused notion of what happened in New York (and, I think, similar happened in Texas - I may be wrong on that).
- EricE 5y ago
  To the big floaty hospital ship the Orange Man sent to NY harbor? That would be a good start. They also converted Javits Center into an emergency hospital that was barely utilized too. And on top of that, the actively hid deaths of nursing home residents that happened in hospitals to further downplay the impact of COVID to the nursing homes. If you only watch the main stream media it's no wonder you haven't heard any of this :p

orblivion 5y ago

Heh, well there you go. I wanted to avoid that point to avoid politics (per the OP's request), but yes. Also I think I heard NY wasn't the only state that did this.

exegete 5y ago
NJ also did this
- EricE 5y ago
  Michigan too. all with disastrous results.
wernercd 5y ago
Well, truth be told, I didn't bring up the politics of it.. just the simple truth. WHY they made the decisions is a rabbit hole... but the facts are simple.

belltaco 5y ago

>If New York ONLY ignored the problem that'd be one thing So where would recovered nursing home residents go? Keep staying in the hospital which would mean active covid patients would die in the streets? Or the streets?

orblivion 5y ago
I think this is a fair question. I don't think it was anybody's intention to deliberately kill people. Even assuming the worst about people's nature, it's just not great for political careers. I imagine there was a reason for the decision however ill considered.
- EricE 5y ago
  Orange Man Bad seems to be the only justification for not using the hospital ship and temporary hospitals the feds sent. Pretty shitty. That people are willing to gaslight around it over politics is shittier still.
exegete 5y ago
In hindsight to one of the many unused field hospitals? But at the time we didn’t know how effective the mitigations were going to be and fully expected the field hospitals to be full
- belltaco 5y ago
  Not to mention the USS Comfort was banned from accepting any Covid patient.
sam_4675 5y ago
From experience in another state, they go first to the hospital, secondly back into nursing home but into isolated quarantined floors with specially trained fully covered ppe'd staff until several times testing negative, then into warm floor, then back to normal resident floor. Not as I believe initially was case in NY from hospital directly into regular resident floor.
- EricE 5y ago
  They also sent non eldery COVID infected patients to nursing homes. https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/20-year-old-beating-suspect-was-moved-to-nursing-home-because-he-has-covid-19-says-father https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/20-year-old-beating... And Cuomo has the balls to write a book patting himself on the back for doing such a good job? Utterly disgusting!
wernercd 5y ago
This has nothing to do with "recovered NHs (nursing home) patients"... this has to do with housing COVID patients in NHs. This ain't "grandma went to the hospital and got sent back to the nursing home" and it was never about that. Hospitals were over stressed so they sent sick people to nursing homes. https://apnews.com/article/new-york-andrew-cuomo-us-news-coronavirus-pandemic-nursing-homes-512cae0abb55a55f375b3192f2cdd6b5 https://apnews.com/article/new-york-andrew-cuomo-us-news-cor... "More than 9,000 recovering coronavirus patients in New York state were released from hospitals into nursing homes early in the pandemic under a controversial directive that was scrapped amid criticism it accelerated outbreaks, according to new records obtained by The Associated Press." Notice: Not "9000 NH patients sent back from the hospital". 9000 individuals NOT nursing home patients sent to NHs New York, AGAINST CDC guidelines, forced NHs to house sick people that weren't prepared to handle them - and THOUSANDS of old people died because they then got sick from the influx of COVID patients. You have some seriously confused notion of what happened in New York (and, I think, similar happened in Texas - I may be wrong on that).
EricE 5y ago
To the big floaty hospital ship the Orange Man sent to NY harbor? That would be a good start. They also converted Javits Center into an emergency hospital that was barely utilized too. And on top of that, the actively hid deaths of nursing home residents that happened in hospitals to further downplay the impact of COVID to the nursing homes. If you only watch the main stream media it's no wonder you haven't heard any of this :p