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It seemed like a lot of the states that did well despite opening early were southern states where it isn't really winter when it's winter. Also I've heard the

It seemed like a lot of the states that did well despite opening early were southern states where it isn't really winter when it's winter. Also I've heard the claim that (to be as apolitical as I can here) in Florida they secured the elderly population more quickly and carefully than in New York. You may want to look into that claim.

wernercd 5y ago
I'd say "Florida secured their elderly population more quickly and carefully than in New York" misses the fact that New York ACTIVELY put its elderly in harms way by requiring nursing homes take patients. If New York ONLY ignored the problem that'd be one thing... but they actively made decisions that led to a large number of deaths - and more importantly those decisions were AGAINST the CDC guidelines.
- orblivion 5y ago
  Heh, well there you go. I wanted to avoid that point to avoid politics (per the OP's request), but yes. Also I think I heard NY wasn't the only state that did this.
  - exegete 5y ago
    NJ also did this
    - EricE 5y ago
      Michigan too. all with disastrous results.
  - wernercd 5y ago
    Well, truth be told, I didn't bring up the politics of it.. just the simple truth. WHY they made the decisions is a rabbit hole... but the facts are simple.
- belltaco 5y ago
  >If New York ONLY ignored the problem that'd be one thing So where would recovered nursing home residents go? Keep staying in the hospital which would mean active covid patients would die in the streets? Or the streets?
  - orblivion 5y ago
    I think this is a fair question. I don't think it was anybody's intention to deliberately kill people. Even assuming the worst about people's nature, it's just not great for political careers. I imagine there was a reason for the decision however ill considered.
    - EricE 5y ago
      Orange Man Bad seems to be the only justification for not using the hospital ship and temporary hospitals the feds sent. Pretty shitty. That people are willing to gaslight around it over politics is shittier still.
  - exegete 5y ago
    In hindsight to one of the many unused field hospitals? But at the time we didn’t know how effective the mitigations were going to be and fully expected the field hospitals to be full
    - belltaco 5y ago
      Not to mention the USS Comfort was banned from accepting any Covid patient.
  - sam_4675 5y ago
    From experience in another state, they go first to the hospital, secondly back into nursing home but into isolated quarantined floors with specially trained fully covered ppe'd staff until several times testing negative, then into warm floor, then back to normal resident floor. Not as I believe initially was case in NY from hospital directly into regular resident floor.

wernercd 5y ago

I'd say "Florida secured their elderly population more quickly and carefully than in New York" misses the fact that New York ACTIVELY put its elderly in harms way by requiring nursing homes take patients. If New York ONLY ignored the problem that'd be one thing... but they actively made decisions that led to a large number of deaths - and more importantly those decisions were AGAINST the CDC guidelines.

orblivion 5y ago
Heh, well there you go. I wanted to avoid that point to avoid politics (per the OP's request), but yes. Also I think I heard NY wasn't the only state that did this.
- exegete 5y ago
  NJ also did this
  - EricE 5y ago
    Michigan too. all with disastrous results.
- wernercd 5y ago
  Well, truth be told, I didn't bring up the politics of it.. just the simple truth. WHY they made the decisions is a rabbit hole... but the facts are simple.
belltaco 5y ago
>If New York ONLY ignored the problem that'd be one thing So where would recovered nursing home residents go? Keep staying in the hospital which would mean active covid patients would die in the streets? Or the streets?
- orblivion 5y ago
  I think this is a fair question. I don't think it was anybody's intention to deliberately kill people. Even assuming the worst about people's nature, it's just not great for political careers. I imagine there was a reason for the decision however ill considered.
  - EricE 5y ago
    Orange Man Bad seems to be the only justification for not using the hospital ship and temporary hospitals the feds sent. Pretty shitty. That people are willing to gaslight around it over politics is shittier still.
- exegete 5y ago
  In hindsight to one of the many unused field hospitals? But at the time we didn’t know how effective the mitigations were going to be and fully expected the field hospitals to be full
  - belltaco 5y ago
    Not to mention the USS Comfort was banned from accepting any Covid patient.
- sam_4675 5y ago
  From experience in another state, they go first to the hospital, secondly back into nursing home but into isolated quarantined floors with specially trained fully covered ppe'd staff until several times testing negative, then into warm floor, then back to normal resident floor. Not as I believe initially was case in NY from hospital directly into regular resident floor.