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No, but considering iOS is roughly 50% or more of the mobile market in the U.S, U.K, Japan, etc. any developer choosing to forgo iOS is essentially shitting awa

No, but considering iOS is roughly 50% or more of the mobile market in the U.S, U.K, Japan, etc. any developer choosing to forgo iOS is essentially shitting away half the market in some very lucrative places.

ethbr0 5y ago
More than that in terms of percentage of actual app revenue, since Google Play is such a $+#$show.
- no_wizard 5y ago
  This is the crux of the matter, for most developers. Its why Apple is the target and not Google, despite having remarkably similar structure for this. The one exception is around having alternative App Stores (if I recall correctly this is totally blessed by Google, see Amazon Appstore App For Android[0], though I don't think any alternative store that has been created this way has thrived, cautionary tale of whether consumers will care about alternative app stores). Its otherwise the same, as far as I can tell[1] structurally. [0]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/get/amazonapp https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/get/amazonapp [1]: https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9858738?hl=en&ref_topic=9857752 https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...
  - ethbr0 5y ago
    The only way alternative app stores would stand a chance is if an app store lottery were foisted on Google. (A) They can't bundle GApps with Play Store & (B) they have to present an app store picker instead of defaulting to Google Play.
    - no_wizard 5y ago
      Wouldn't this be true regardless of circumstance? I think the happy medium everyone should be striving for is just third party payment APIs that are blessed by the platform. This isn't about distribution (I don't think Epic cares if it's hosted on the App Store, Google Play, or not). It's all about payment processing. If Apple and Google had a blessed Payment API that let developers use alternative payment processors, this would go away I imagine. I know some users want more freedom, but this lawsuit really isn't about user freedom, it's about payments (and if users do get more freedom, e.g. able to install apps in alternative ways, it's a side effect of this, not the goal of the lawsuit) I wonder if Apple is forced to cut their fees in payments if they'll raise the developer fees to compensate, tiered based on size of the org.

ethbr0 5y ago

More than that in terms of percentage of actual app revenue, since Google Play is such a $+#$show.

no_wizard 5y ago
This is the crux of the matter, for most developers. Its why Apple is the target and not Google, despite having remarkably similar structure for this. The one exception is around having alternative App Stores (if I recall correctly this is totally blessed by Google, see Amazon Appstore App For Android[0], though I don't think any alternative store that has been created this way has thrived, cautionary tale of whether consumers will care about alternative app stores). Its otherwise the same, as far as I can tell[1] structurally. [0]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/get/amazonapp https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/get/amazonapp [1]: https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9858738?hl=en&ref_topic=9857752 https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...
- ethbr0 5y ago
  The only way alternative app stores would stand a chance is if an app store lottery were foisted on Google. (A) They can't bundle GApps with Play Store & (B) they have to present an app store picker instead of defaulting to Google Play.
  - no_wizard 5y ago
    Wouldn't this be true regardless of circumstance? I think the happy medium everyone should be striving for is just third party payment APIs that are blessed by the platform. This isn't about distribution (I don't think Epic cares if it's hosted on the App Store, Google Play, or not). It's all about payment processing. If Apple and Google had a blessed Payment API that let developers use alternative payment processors, this would go away I imagine. I know some users want more freedom, but this lawsuit really isn't about user freedom, it's about payments (and if users do get more freedom, e.g. able to install apps in alternative ways, it's a side effect of this, not the goal of the lawsuit) I wonder if Apple is forced to cut their fees in payments if they'll raise the developer fees to compensate, tiered based on size of the org.