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For people who think that is low, this is with the precautions taken, imagine if nobody did anything

chmod600 5y ago
Florida didn't lock down (EDIT: except a few weeks at the beginning), and their death numbers are middle-of-the-pack[1], just marginally worse than California, which did heavy lockdowns. We should probably assume that, in addition to not following some practices we should have, we also did a lot that we didn't have to. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html list the states by "of all time" and "deaths" which shows FL with 168 deaths per 100k and CA with 159, only two slots apart.
- GavinMcG 5y ago
  This or that state government's mandate or lack thereof really can't stand in for actual behaviors. For one thing, regardless of state mandates, you can bet your buttons that a huge number of residential/nursing facilities for seniors in Florida did lock down, and thereby protected those most likely to increase Florida's numbers. If you want to see the effects of policy, don't compare states (especially big diverse ones like California). Compare, for example, San Francisco (with peak 7-day-average new cases of 363, total cases 36.7k, and population of 874k) and Miami (peak 7-day-average new cases of 3240, total cases 494k, and population of 2710k). Per capita, Miami was about four times worse. SF: https://www.google.com/search?q=san+francisco+covid+numbers https://www.google.com/search?q=san+francisco+covid+numbers Miami: https://www.google.com/search?q=miami+covid+numbers https://www.google.com/search?q=miami+covid+numbers
  - chmod600 5y ago
    There was both a policy difference as well as a behavior difference when it came to schools. Also, case numbers are a bad thing to measure. Death numbers are more reliable. EDIT: also, it appears state policy exacerbated the nursing home problems in California: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/06/editorial-newsom-falters-as-covid-19-nursing-home-cases-soar/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/06/editorial-newsom-falt...
    - GavinMcG 5y ago
      There you go, dig into the specific policy choices of specific leaders. The world isn't as simple as which team you're on.
- knowaveragejoe 5y ago
  California is huge and had numerous places actively(purposefully) flout public health measures like quarantine, lockdowns and restrictions on gatherings. It's hard to compare the two.
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  - chmod600 5y ago
    The post I responded to said "imagine if nobody did anything". I gave Florida as an example. Saying that California also flouted restrictions does not really refute that.

Florida didn't lock down (EDIT: except a few weeks at the beginning), and their death numbers are middle-of-the-pack[1], just marginally worse than California, which did heavy lockdowns. We should probably assume that, in addition to not following some practices we should have, we also did a lot that we didn't have to. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html list the states by "of all time" and "deaths" which shows FL with 168 deaths per 100k and CA with 159, only two slots apart.

GavinMcG 5y ago
This or that state government's mandate or lack thereof really can't stand in for actual behaviors. For one thing, regardless of state mandates, you can bet your buttons that a huge number of residential/nursing facilities for seniors in Florida did lock down, and thereby protected those most likely to increase Florida's numbers. If you want to see the effects of policy, don't compare states (especially big diverse ones like California). Compare, for example, San Francisco (with peak 7-day-average new cases of 363, total cases 36.7k, and population of 874k) and Miami (peak 7-day-average new cases of 3240, total cases 494k, and population of 2710k). Per capita, Miami was about four times worse. SF: https://www.google.com/search?q=san+francisco+covid+numbers https://www.google.com/search?q=san+francisco+covid+numbers Miami: https://www.google.com/search?q=miami+covid+numbers https://www.google.com/search?q=miami+covid+numbers
- chmod600 5y ago
  There was both a policy difference as well as a behavior difference when it came to schools. Also, case numbers are a bad thing to measure. Death numbers are more reliable. EDIT: also, it appears state policy exacerbated the nursing home problems in California: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/06/editorial-newsom-falters-as-covid-19-nursing-home-cases-soar/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/06/editorial-newsom-falt...
  - GavinMcG 5y ago
    There you go, dig into the specific policy choices of specific leaders. The world isn't as simple as which team you're on.
knowaveragejoe 5y ago
California is huge and had numerous places actively(purposefully) flout public health measures like quarantine, lockdowns and restrictions on gatherings. It's hard to compare the two.
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- chmod600 5y ago
  The post I responded to said "imagine if nobody did anything". I gave Florida as an example. Saying that California also flouted restrictions does not really refute that.