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> it seems like Waymo passed the test It did not seem so to me. Blocking the road (when it was clearly possible to get out of the way) increased the danger to

> it seems like Waymo passed the test It did not seem so to me. Blocking the road (when it was clearly possible to get out of the way) increased the danger to others through inaction. Issac Asimov would tut tut.

ajross 5y ago
You're not controlling your variables. The choice isn't between "block the road" and "unimpeded safe traffic", it's between "block the road" and "dangerous driving conditions". As we all know bad signage causes accidents. Here, it did not. Because the car stopped.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  >The choice isn't between "block the road" and "unimpeded safe traffic", it's between "block the road" and "dangerous driving conditions". The choice was between block the road, or pull off to the side, when it was clearly safe to do so.
  - ajross 5y ago
    > or pull off to the side The car did pull off to the side. Those cones mark the side of the road. What you're demanding it do is to cross the cones to pull off the closed-off shoulder of the road. Which is (1) illegal and (2) only safe because of assumptions you're making about why that road was closed. I mean, consider that they had a giant automated Waymo-branded repaving machine coming down in that lane. Would pulling off the the side have been the right choice? Again, it's true that an AI isn't going to have the same context that you do as a functioning human driver. And so it's going to make different decisions in pursuit of safety than you would. That's not evidence that it's unsafe. This behavior simply wasn't unsafe.
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      >The car did pull off to the side. That's not what I saw. The car attempted to follow it's planned route to use the right lane, and stopped in place when it saw the next traffic cone, partially blocking the left lane. Then it backed up and fully blocked the left lane.

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> it seems like Waymo passed the test It did not seem so to me. Blocking the road (when it was clearly possible to get out of the way) increased the danger to

by GeekyBear 5y ago

ajross 5y ago
You're not controlling your variables. The choice isn't between "block the road" and "unimpeded safe traffic", it's between "block the road" and "dangerous driving conditions". As we all know bad signage causes accidents. Here, it did not. Because the car stopped.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  >The choice isn't between "block the road" and "unimpeded safe traffic", it's between "block the road" and "dangerous driving conditions". The choice was between block the road, or pull off to the side, when it was clearly safe to do so.
  - ajross 5y ago
    > or pull off to the side The car did pull off to the side. Those cones mark the side of the road. What you're demanding it do is to cross the cones to pull off the closed-off shoulder of the road. Which is (1) illegal and (2) only safe because of assumptions you're making about why that road was closed. I mean, consider that they had a giant automated Waymo-branded repaving machine coming down in that lane. Would pulling off the the side have been the right choice? Again, it's true that an AI isn't going to have the same context that you do as a functioning human driver. And so it's going to make different decisions in pursuit of safety than you would. That's not evidence that it's unsafe. This behavior simply wasn't unsafe.
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      >The car did pull off to the side. That's not what I saw. The car attempted to follow it's planned route to use the right lane, and stopped in place when it saw the next traffic cone, partially blocking the left lane. Then it backed up and fully blocked the left lane.