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> the language with the best and most complete standard library How can this be true when language is still adopting[1] table stakes collection operators? > h

> the language with the best and most complete standard library How can this be true when language is still adopting[1] table stakes collection operators? > he language that is the easiest to read Generic programming is now a part of Go[2] [1] https://github.com/golang/go/issues/45955 https://github.com/golang/go/issues/45955 [2] https://github.com/golang/go/issues/43651 https://github.com/golang/go/issues/43651

baby 5y ago
Tell me one other language, a single one, that has this in its standard library: - hex / base64 / json / xml / etc. - TLS (1.3) / x509 / aes-gcm / sha-2/sha-3 / X25519 / ECDSA / ed25519 / crypto.rand - http / html templates / json-rpc / etc. - big integer math - zip There's just so much more, and the documentation is top notch: https://golang.org/pkg/ https://golang.org/pkg/ Actually, this is just my take on what I end up using, but what's your own favorite package in Golang std lib :D?
- halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
  Javascript has all of that minus some of the crypto stuff. They introduced BigInt in ES2020. JS has built in json, Node has built-in tls/http.
  - josephg 5y ago
    Javascript has a built in crypto library now too. Mind you, Go’s standard library is way better designed than javascript’s. A lot of Javascript’s API is an inconsistent mess. (Eg btoa, new TextDecoder().decode(str), string.length, etc.)
- chrisandchris 5y ago
  C# on DotNet will have most of it? Java probably too?
  - geodel 5y ago
    Java does not have http server, json, html template as part of std.
    - dmux 5y ago
      Java has had an Http Server implementation included in it since 1.6 (the "since" attribute on the page) https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/jre/api/net/httpserver/spec/com/sun/net/httpserver/HttpServer.html https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/jre/api/net/httpserver...
- ziml77 5y ago
  But there's a downside to putting things like that in the standard library. Python also went for a "batteries included approach" but it hasn't been all sunshine and rainbows. There's a reason why the Python standard library is known as the place where modules go to die: https://leancrew.com/all-this/2012/04/where-modules-go-to-die/ https://leancrew.com/all-this/2012/04/where-modules-go-to-di...
- morelisp 5y ago
  > hex / base64 / json / xml Literally everyone. Go is not exactly a stand-out XML handler either. > TLS (1.3) / x509 / aes-gcm / sha-2/sha-3 / X25519 / ECDSA / ed25519 / crypto.rand The prevailing idea even within the Go community today is that probably too much of that is exposed and instead the stdlib should be focusing on higher-level primitives. > http / html templates / json-rpc Go's HTTP stack is very good. Most languages do have a worse one, though. The templating language is interesting, I'm glad it's there, but I think there will be widespread dissatisfaction among developers coming from other languages within in the next few years and you'll see it languish in favor of a 3rd party library. I would not choose a language based on its stdlib templates (and if I did I'd choose Perl). I bet they will come to regret jsonrpc in stdlib. > big integer math, zip Table stakes.
- gallexme 5y ago
  Erlang, doesn't has json rpc tho, but a whole cluster technology and rpc if u really wanted it
- metaltyphoon 5y ago
  C# has it and much more.

baby 5y ago

Tell me one other language, a single one, that has this in its standard library: - hex / base64 / json / xml / etc. - TLS (1.3) / x509 / aes-gcm / sha-2/sha-3 / X25519 / ECDSA / ed25519 / crypto.rand - http / html templates / json-rpc / etc. - big integer math - zip There's just so much more, and the documentation is top notch: https://golang.org/pkg/ https://golang.org/pkg/ Actually, this is just my take on what I end up using, but what's your own favorite package in Golang std lib :D?

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
Javascript has all of that minus some of the crypto stuff. They introduced BigInt in ES2020. JS has built in json, Node has built-in tls/http.
- josephg 5y ago
  Javascript has a built in crypto library now too. Mind you, Go’s standard library is way better designed than javascript’s. A lot of Javascript’s API is an inconsistent mess. (Eg btoa, new TextDecoder().decode(str), string.length, etc.)
chrisandchris 5y ago
C# on DotNet will have most of it? Java probably too?
- geodel 5y ago
  Java does not have http server, json, html template as part of std.
  - dmux 5y ago
    Java has had an Http Server implementation included in it since 1.6 (the "since" attribute on the page) https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/jre/api/net/httpserver/spec/com/sun/net/httpserver/HttpServer.html https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/jre/api/net/httpserver...
ziml77 5y ago
But there's a downside to putting things like that in the standard library. Python also went for a "batteries included approach" but it hasn't been all sunshine and rainbows. There's a reason why the Python standard library is known as the place where modules go to die: https://leancrew.com/all-this/2012/04/where-modules-go-to-die/ https://leancrew.com/all-this/2012/04/where-modules-go-to-di...
morelisp 5y ago
> hex / base64 / json / xml Literally everyone. Go is not exactly a stand-out XML handler either. > TLS (1.3) / x509 / aes-gcm / sha-2/sha-3 / X25519 / ECDSA / ed25519 / crypto.rand The prevailing idea even within the Go community today is that probably too much of that is exposed and instead the stdlib should be focusing on higher-level primitives. > http / html templates / json-rpc Go's HTTP stack is very good. Most languages do have a worse one, though. The templating language is interesting, I'm glad it's there, but I think there will be widespread dissatisfaction among developers coming from other languages within in the next few years and you'll see it languish in favor of a 3rd party library. I would not choose a language based on its stdlib templates (and if I did I'd choose Perl). I bet they will come to regret jsonrpc in stdlib. > big integer math, zip Table stakes.
gallexme 5y ago
Erlang, doesn't has json rpc tho, but a whole cluster technology and rpc if u really wanted it
metaltyphoon 5y ago
C# has it and much more.