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One of my former managers ( very much an extrovert ), summarized it to me thusly as he tried to show me his way: "If you turn out to be right, that is great. I

One of my former managers ( very much an extrovert ), summarized it to me thusly as he tried to show me his way: "If you turn out to be right, that is great. If not, that is ok too. But it is vital that you remain calm and confident irregardless." And the most fucking annoying thing about his approach is that it works.

louthy 5y ago
> irregardless Did he really use this non-word?
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  Yep. With full conviction of a person that he will not be corrected by his underlings.
- macintux 5y ago
  It's been used for over a century; I think it's time to accept that it's a word.
void_mint 5y ago
Probably because his approach has nothing to do with introvert vs. extrovert, and is just normal baseline professionalism.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  I very much disagree. I am not sure if it is a question of culture, nurture or what, but when I do mess up, I acknowledge the mess up, ask for forgiveness and move on. Up until that point, it certainly would not occur to me to either ignore it or just keep pressing in the wrong direction despite being objectively wrong. I would not call it professionalism at all.
  - void_mint 5y ago
    Unless you did not correctly quote the advice, nothing that you said in this post invalidates the previous advice. Being wrong _is okay_, but if you're suggesting something, you should remain calm and be confident your suggestion is in line with your current understanding of a problem space. If wrong, continue to remain calm, acknowledge, apologize and move on. Being wrong shouldn't shake your confidence (again, even if you're an introvert).
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
      I think I am willing to agree with your interpretation of the quote. It may have not been a good example since I can't really go into more details here. I do have a philosophical objection though. Unlike Dr. House, I do not possess merely theoretical capacity for being wrong. I recognize I can be wrong and I recognize that me being wrong has real world consequences that I need to consider. It is not about shaking my confidence. It is about whether it is possible I am wrong in this particular case. Confidence is pointless here since the consequences involved will not be BSed away.
      - void_mint 5y ago
        > I think I am willing to agree with your interpretation of the quote. It may have not been a good example since I can't really go into more details here. All good. I totally accept that that individual quote did not do justice to the situation you were trying to convey. I am not trying to be aggressive. > I do have a philosophical objection though. Unlike Dr. House, I do not possess merely theoretical capacity for being wrong. I recognize I can be wrong and I recognize that me being wrong has real world consequences that I need to consider. I am an overwhelming extrovert. I believe that your gripe is less about inro vs. extro, and much much more about culture. I have worked in environments where being wrong but trying hard is applauded, and I have worked in environments where being wrong (regardless of how or why) is shamed. The latter feels bad to me, as it sounds like it would you. > It is not about shaking my confidence. It is about whether it is possible I am wrong in this particular case. Confidence is pointless here since the consequences involved will not be BSed away. I totally agree with you. If getting something wrong will cause any kind of problem (beyond just, "lets fix it and keep going"), it's a culture problem and rightly will impact your confidence. I would say, your boss was probably a moron, but not necessarily because they were an extrovert.

louthy 5y ago

> irregardless Did he really use this non-word?

A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
Yep. With full conviction of a person that he will not be corrected by his underlings.
macintux 5y ago
It's been used for over a century; I think it's time to accept that it's a word.

void_mint 5y ago

Probably because his approach has nothing to do with introvert vs. extrovert, and is just normal baseline professionalism.

A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
I very much disagree. I am not sure if it is a question of culture, nurture or what, but when I do mess up, I acknowledge the mess up, ask for forgiveness and move on. Up until that point, it certainly would not occur to me to either ignore it or just keep pressing in the wrong direction despite being objectively wrong. I would not call it professionalism at all.
- void_mint 5y ago
  Unless you did not correctly quote the advice, nothing that you said in this post invalidates the previous advice. Being wrong _is okay_, but if you're suggesting something, you should remain calm and be confident your suggestion is in line with your current understanding of a problem space. If wrong, continue to remain calm, acknowledge, apologize and move on. Being wrong shouldn't shake your confidence (again, even if you're an introvert).
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
    I think I am willing to agree with your interpretation of the quote. It may have not been a good example since I can't really go into more details here. I do have a philosophical objection though. Unlike Dr. House, I do not possess merely theoretical capacity for being wrong. I recognize I can be wrong and I recognize that me being wrong has real world consequences that I need to consider. It is not about shaking my confidence. It is about whether it is possible I am wrong in this particular case. Confidence is pointless here since the consequences involved will not be BSed away.
    - void_mint 5y ago
      > I think I am willing to agree with your interpretation of the quote. It may have not been a good example since I can't really go into more details here. All good. I totally accept that that individual quote did not do justice to the situation you were trying to convey. I am not trying to be aggressive. > I do have a philosophical objection though. Unlike Dr. House, I do not possess merely theoretical capacity for being wrong. I recognize I can be wrong and I recognize that me being wrong has real world consequences that I need to consider. I am an overwhelming extrovert. I believe that your gripe is less about inro vs. extro, and much much more about culture. I have worked in environments where being wrong but trying hard is applauded, and I have worked in environments where being wrong (regardless of how or why) is shamed. The latter feels bad to me, as it sounds like it would you. > It is not about shaking my confidence. It is about whether it is possible I am wrong in this particular case. Confidence is pointless here since the consequences involved will not be BSed away. I totally agree with you. If getting something wrong will cause any kind of problem (beyond just, "lets fix it and keep going"), it's a culture problem and rightly will impact your confidence. I would say, your boss was probably a moron, but not necessarily because they were an extrovert.