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There’s no “serious work” to do - either we play the game of picking and choosing whose use of electricity is less useful than others, or we tax carbon universa

There’s no “serious work” to do - either we play the game of picking and choosing whose use of electricity is less useful than others, or we tax carbon universally. Personally I prefer Bitcoin to video games, but I’m probably a minority. However I don’t think we should outlaw video games for being a giant waste of electricity (and time).

zepto 5y ago
Are videogames a giant waste of electricity? It depends a lot on what activities they displace.
- gruez 5y ago
  Probably watching TV?
  - zepto 5y ago
    If it’s TV then it’s not additive unlike Bitcoin. It could well be a lot of other stuff, sports, resources consuming hobbies etc.
- mnouquet 5y ago
  > Are videogames a giant waste of electricity? What is your argument for it not being such a giant waste ? Remember, we are now living in a guilty-until-proven-innocent world.
echelon 5y ago
Video games don't cause oil pipelines to be shut down. Bitcoin has negative externalities beyond energy consumption.
MereInterest 5y ago
> either we play the game of picking and choosing whose use of electricity is less useful than others I keep hearing this argument from bitcoin enthusiasts, and I don't understand why this is a bad thing. Electricity for heating, for cooking, for entertainment is constructively used. Cryptocurrencies are the only case I know of where electricity is deliberately used to the minimum possible effect, with verification that that was the case. The only benefit is the thrill that people get by using them to speculatively gamble. A utility isn't an end goal, but rather in order to enable some activity from it. Utilities are provided such that they can enable some benefits to society. Using a utility in an unexpected way that benefits society is a fantastic thing. Using a utility in a way that is not beneficial to society, and that prevents beneficial uses of that utility, then it is perfectly reasonable to restrict usage. In this case, since monitoring for cryptocurrency validation would be indistinguishable from productive high-electricity usage, a better solution would be to target the exchanges, to remove the incentive for cryptocurrency validators to waste electricity. Cycling through other currencies would then be treated like any other form of money laundering.
- mnouquet 5y ago
  > Electricity for heating It could be argued that straight resistive heating is inefficient compared to using a heat pump, so on, it might not be that legitimate > for entertainment You don't need to use electricity to entertain yourself. Worth, why would you entertain yourself when you can think relentlessly about the betterment of Peoplekind. > a better solution would be to target the exchanges Crypto don't need exchanges to survive. > Cycling through other currencies would then be treated like any other form of money laundering Then Wall-Street traders would be the first to go to jail. Soros made his fortune betting against the british pound.
  - zepto 5y ago
    >€ Cycling through other currencies would then be treated like any other form of money laundering >Then Wall-Street traders would be the first to go to jail. Soros made his fortune betting against the british pound. This seems like a complete non-sequitur. What has soros’s bet got to do with money laundering?
    - mnouquet 5y ago
      > What has soros’s bet got to do with money laundering? Did you read (and understand) the original comment ? It read: > Cycling through other currencies* would then be treated like any other form of money laundering Soros cycled through currencies while at war with the BoE, applying OP comment, it would then have to be treated as money laundering if applied to fiat currencies.
      - zepto 5y ago
        > it would then have to be treated as money laundering if applied to fiat currencies. Sure but where is anyone talking about applying this to fiat currencies? This seems like a red herring.

zepto 5y ago

Are videogames a giant waste of electricity? It depends a lot on what activities they displace.

gruez 5y ago
Probably watching TV?
- zepto 5y ago
  If it’s TV then it’s not additive unlike Bitcoin. It could well be a lot of other stuff, sports, resources consuming hobbies etc.
mnouquet 5y ago
> Are videogames a giant waste of electricity? What is your argument for it not being such a giant waste ? Remember, we are now living in a guilty-until-proven-innocent world.

echelon 5y ago

Video games don't cause oil pipelines to be shut down. Bitcoin has negative externalities beyond energy consumption.

MereInterest 5y ago

> either we play the game of picking and choosing whose use of electricity is less useful than others I keep hearing this argument from bitcoin enthusiasts, and I don't understand why this is a bad thing. Electricity for heating, for cooking, for entertainment is constructively used. Cryptocurrencies are the only case I know of where electricity is deliberately used to the minimum possible effect, with verification that that was the case. The only benefit is the thrill that people get by using them to speculatively gamble. A utility isn't an end goal, but rather in order to enable some activity from it. Utilities are provided such that they can enable some benefits to society. Using a utility in an unexpected way that benefits society is a fantastic thing. Using a utility in a way that is not beneficial to society, and that prevents beneficial uses of that utility, then it is perfectly reasonable to restrict usage. In this case, since monitoring for cryptocurrency validation would be indistinguishable from productive high-electricity usage, a better solution would be to target the exchanges, to remove the incentive for cryptocurrency validators to waste electricity. Cycling through other currencies would then be treated like any other form of money laundering.

mnouquet 5y ago
> Electricity for heating It could be argued that straight resistive heating is inefficient compared to using a heat pump, so on, it might not be that legitimate > for entertainment You don't need to use electricity to entertain yourself. Worth, why would you entertain yourself when you can think relentlessly about the betterment of Peoplekind. > a better solution would be to target the exchanges Crypto don't need exchanges to survive. > Cycling through other currencies would then be treated like any other form of money laundering Then Wall-Street traders would be the first to go to jail. Soros made his fortune betting against the british pound.
- zepto 5y ago
  >€ Cycling through other currencies would then be treated like any other form of money laundering >Then Wall-Street traders would be the first to go to jail. Soros made his fortune betting against the british pound. This seems like a complete non-sequitur. What has soros’s bet got to do with money laundering?
  - mnouquet 5y ago
    > What has soros’s bet got to do with money laundering? Did you read (and understand) the original comment ? It read: > Cycling through other currencies* would then be treated like any other form of money laundering Soros cycled through currencies while at war with the BoE, applying OP comment, it would then have to be treated as money laundering if applied to fiat currencies.
    - zepto 5y ago
      > it would then have to be treated as money laundering if applied to fiat currencies. Sure but where is anyone talking about applying this to fiat currencies? This seems like a red herring.