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Placing aesthetic files needn't be illegal; see eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_banknote_neutralisation_system#Legislation_and_regulations https:/

Placing aesthetic files needn't be illegal; see eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_banknote_neutralisation_system#Legislation_and_regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_banknote_neutralis... for a similar situation with banks, banknotes, and -presumably aesthetic- dye packs. This is pretty similar. Only hostile breach attempts are thwarted. It may need precedent or legislation to be fully legal, however. I would hope for EU-wide legislation to that effect in short order.

PeterisP 5y ago
It's not pretty similar to banknote neutralisation. First, the thwarted breach most likely isn't "hostile" - we'd assume that the law enforcement people running the Cellebrite tool are running it on a device in their lawful possession; and second, unlike in the money case, it's quite explicitly a crime to try to thwart their attempts, obstruction of justice is pretty much a universal concept.
- salawat 5y ago
  >First, the thwarted breach most likely isn't "hostile" - we'd assume that the law enforcement people running the Cellebrite tool are running it on a device in their lawful possession; and second, unlike in the money case, it's quite explicitly a crime to try to thwart their attempts, obstruction of justice is pretty much a universal concept. Uh huh. Tell that to the Uiyghurs currently lawfully detained in reeducation camps and being systematically genocided. Tell that to any person wrongfully imprisoned because a prosecutor wanted a slam dunk instead of making damn sure that the facts line up. Tell that to those of Jewish lineage, or who were on the wrong side of the legal/political edifice in Germany between the years of 1940 and 1945. The same for those of German or Japanese descent in the United States, those of Native American descent since before the United States was formally a thing, or those dissidents that crossed the ocean to get away from the legal reality that shaped their time. There is an American cultural value that places that which is ultimately the moral right over that which is legal. I cannot for the life of me figure out how it seems to have gotten so wantomly diluted over the years, but I'm tired of hearing the argument that what is right is somehow constrained by what is legal. It's the other way around, consequently in flux, resulting in a moral imperative to exploit an inflexible legal system with as much care, due vigilance, and as much scrutiny on all sides (prosecutorial/law enforcement conduct, criminal activity by those unapprehended, the treatment and rehabilitation of those that were apprehended, and the public's overall safety from the other three) as possible if the values of Liberty and Freedom mean anything at all.
- Kim_Bruning 5y ago
  I'm not sure that that is a safe assumption. Do remember that Cellebrite has more customers than just your local domestic (law enforcement) agency. In fact, that would obviously just be one customer. It thus follows logically that all the other customers are not your local domestic law enforcement agency.

PeterisP 5y ago

It's not pretty similar to banknote neutralisation. First, the thwarted breach most likely isn't "hostile" - we'd assume that the law enforcement people running the Cellebrite tool are running it on a device in their lawful possession; and second, unlike in the money case, it's quite explicitly a crime to try to thwart their attempts, obstruction of justice is pretty much a universal concept.

salawat 5y ago
>First, the thwarted breach most likely isn't "hostile" - we'd assume that the law enforcement people running the Cellebrite tool are running it on a device in their lawful possession; and second, unlike in the money case, it's quite explicitly a crime to try to thwart their attempts, obstruction of justice is pretty much a universal concept. Uh huh. Tell that to the Uiyghurs currently lawfully detained in reeducation camps and being systematically genocided. Tell that to any person wrongfully imprisoned because a prosecutor wanted a slam dunk instead of making damn sure that the facts line up. Tell that to those of Jewish lineage, or who were on the wrong side of the legal/political edifice in Germany between the years of 1940 and 1945. The same for those of German or Japanese descent in the United States, those of Native American descent since before the United States was formally a thing, or those dissidents that crossed the ocean to get away from the legal reality that shaped their time. There is an American cultural value that places that which is ultimately the moral right over that which is legal. I cannot for the life of me figure out how it seems to have gotten so wantomly diluted over the years, but I'm tired of hearing the argument that what is right is somehow constrained by what is legal. It's the other way around, consequently in flux, resulting in a moral imperative to exploit an inflexible legal system with as much care, due vigilance, and as much scrutiny on all sides (prosecutorial/law enforcement conduct, criminal activity by those unapprehended, the treatment and rehabilitation of those that were apprehended, and the public's overall safety from the other three) as possible if the values of Liberty and Freedom mean anything at all.
Kim_Bruning 5y ago
I'm not sure that that is a safe assumption. Do remember that Cellebrite has more customers than just your local domestic (law enforcement) agency. In fact, that would obviously just be one customer. It thus follows logically that all the other customers are not your local domestic law enforcement agency.