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They are not changing their minds arbitrarily, it's in response to the fact that as the Evergiven demonstrated, so-called Suezmax ships actually don't fit. In

They are not changing their minds arbitrarily, it's in response to the fact that as the Evergiven demonstrated, so-called Suezmax ships actually don't fit. In reality, they are "Suezbarelys"

LatteLazy 5y ago
Isn't that exactly what suezmax means? SuezBarely? If you ask for a Xm long ship, you get an Xm long ship. That's not a design flaw because it crashes more easily than a smaller ship when not maintained/piloted properly... Edit: if the Suez officials are serious about this, they should limit the size of vessels to the current maximum.
- doctor_eval 5y ago
  I think the point is, the Suez canal operators say "you must be no more than THIS BIG to pass through the canal". So shipbuilder builds a ship THIS BIG and it doesn't fit. [0] I think that's the canal's fault, not the shipbuilder's. [0] in fact, most of the time it fits, but sometimes it doesn't.
- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  No. You don't completely fill up your computer memory. Whenever we are given a certain amount of space within which to operate, when smooth flow of traffic is essential, we aim to stay below the absolute maximum limits, in order to avoid fatal bottlenecks. This is very logical, and you can see it in all aspects of life.
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    You don't fill up computer memory because it's cheap to buy more and catastrophic to run out. Imagine if you were paid to fill computer memory, and the only way to stay in business was to be 99% full. You'd fill your memory then. And that's logistics. That's by ships are so big and full and why planes are over booked and why Suez hasn't been enlarged more.
imglorp 5y ago
They fit fine. There was an issue with that ship having large sail area from all those containers and insufficient control authority to counteract the added wind forces. If anything they may want to limit Max crossing to calm days. Also the crew's judgement should be examined: wind forces in tight quarters are a big concern for any vessel and yet they decided to enter.
- kqr 5y ago
  If there are a bunch of conditions under which Suezmax ships fit (calm days, above-average crew judgment, etc.) isn't that effectively support for Suezmax being more of a Suezbarely?

They are not changing their minds arbitrarily, it's in response to the fact that as the Evergiven demonstrated, so-called Suezmax ships actually don't fit. In reality, they are "Suezbarelys"

LatteLazy 5y ago

Isn't that exactly what suezmax means? SuezBarely? If you ask for a Xm long ship, you get an Xm long ship. That's not a design flaw because it crashes more easily than a smaller ship when not maintained/piloted properly... Edit: if the Suez officials are serious about this, they should limit the size of vessels to the current maximum.

doctor_eval 5y ago
I think the point is, the Suez canal operators say "you must be no more than THIS BIG to pass through the canal". So shipbuilder builds a ship THIS BIG and it doesn't fit. [0] I think that's the canal's fault, not the shipbuilder's. [0] in fact, most of the time it fits, but sometimes it doesn't.
FridayoLeary 5y ago
No. You don't completely fill up your computer memory. Whenever we are given a certain amount of space within which to operate, when smooth flow of traffic is essential, we aim to stay below the absolute maximum limits, in order to avoid fatal bottlenecks. This is very logical, and you can see it in all aspects of life.
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  You don't fill up computer memory because it's cheap to buy more and catastrophic to run out. Imagine if you were paid to fill computer memory, and the only way to stay in business was to be 99% full. You'd fill your memory then. And that's logistics. That's by ships are so big and full and why planes are over booked and why Suez hasn't been enlarged more.

imglorp 5y ago

They fit fine. There was an issue with that ship having large sail area from all those containers and insufficient control authority to counteract the added wind forces. If anything they may want to limit Max crossing to calm days. Also the crew's judgement should be examined: wind forces in tight quarters are a big concern for any vessel and yet they decided to enter.

kqr 5y ago
If there are a bunch of conditions under which Suezmax ships fit (calm days, above-average crew judgment, etc.) isn't that effectively support for Suezmax being more of a Suezbarely?