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I totally agree about the settlements but truth is thats not nearly enough for Hammas. They made it clear Israel is Palestine and jews have no business living t

I totally agree about the settlements but truth is thats not nearly enough for Hammas. They made it clear Israel is Palestine and jews have no business living there since they are colonists etc etc. Jews should basically f** off back to Europe. So again, as an Israeli what would you do? Europe is not so appealing to jews lately.

runarberg 5y ago
The international community is adamant about a two state solution. So one option for the Israeli government is to grant Palestine independence. Hamas has not always been a majority government in Palestine and chances are that an independent Palestine will not support Hamas in it’s skirmishes against a separate Israel state. Another option is a one state solution. Israel could grant every Palestinian a citizenship and with it a right to vote in national elections. There is zero chance that Hamas will have significant power in a unified parliament, and if they continue acts of terrorism in a unified non-apartheid state they can be tackled with a standard police force. Basically what Israel shouldn’t do, is continue this current affair of keeping Palestine an occupied territory with accompanying apartheid system.
- joelbluminator 5y ago
  Both options are not very likely to succeed and I am being generous here.
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- bawolff 5y ago
  Your option 2 is that Israel should annex Palestine? I can't imagine palestine would like that very much and i think that's also a war crime. The two state solution seems like the most likely way forward, but if it was easy it would have happened already. After all, it failed in the 40s, and since then a lot of hate has built up on both sides.
  - runarberg 5y ago
    No, Annexation is apart from the single state solution. The gist of the single state solution is that there will be one state (lets call it Israel-Palestine for this purpose) with a new constitution. One benefit of the one state solution is the fact that resettlements of west-bank Israelis can be avoided. Of course that might mean that the current settlements which are illegal under international law will not be answered for. Although ideally, along with the formation of the new Israel-Palestine an international war tribunal would find the people responsible for planning these settlements guilty of war crimes and make them pay with a hefty prison sentence. This is different from annexation which would basically mean a surrender for the Palestinians. Israel would continue as is with the current constitution. Palestinians would become Israeli citizens but on the terms of the Israelis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution
    - bawolff 5y ago
      Sure, if both sides agree to a one state solution, then its not annexing. But Israelis doesn't seem to like the idea and Palestinians don't seem to like the idea, so that seems unlikely.
      - runarberg 5y ago
        Are you sure about that? Has there been recent polling that shows low support? The linked wikipedia article shows some support among Israelis and a high support among Palestinians. I would imagine that support would skyrocket among both nations if two state solution were to be taken off the table (which is increasingly likely).
        tguvot 5y ago
        on israeli side one state solution is acceptable only by ultra-left (kumbaya and peace forever) or by ultra-right (lets annex and have israel from jordan river to the sea). two state solution won't be taken off the table, it's just a scare tactic. but even if it were, chance that support for it will skyrocket in Israel is non-existent.

runarberg 5y ago

The international community is adamant about a two state solution. So one option for the Israeli government is to grant Palestine independence. Hamas has not always been a majority government in Palestine and chances are that an independent Palestine will not support Hamas in it’s skirmishes against a separate Israel state. Another option is a one state solution. Israel could grant every Palestinian a citizenship and with it a right to vote in national elections. There is zero chance that Hamas will have significant power in a unified parliament, and if they continue acts of terrorism in a unified non-apartheid state they can be tackled with a standard police force. Basically what Israel shouldn’t do, is continue this current affair of keeping Palestine an occupied territory with accompanying apartheid system.

joelbluminator 5y ago
Both options are not very likely to succeed and I am being generous here.
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bawolff 5y ago
Your option 2 is that Israel should annex Palestine? I can't imagine palestine would like that very much and i think that's also a war crime. The two state solution seems like the most likely way forward, but if it was easy it would have happened already. After all, it failed in the 40s, and since then a lot of hate has built up on both sides.
- runarberg 5y ago
  No, Annexation is apart from the single state solution. The gist of the single state solution is that there will be one state (lets call it Israel-Palestine for this purpose) with a new constitution. One benefit of the one state solution is the fact that resettlements of west-bank Israelis can be avoided. Of course that might mean that the current settlements which are illegal under international law will not be answered for. Although ideally, along with the formation of the new Israel-Palestine an international war tribunal would find the people responsible for planning these settlements guilty of war crimes and make them pay with a hefty prison sentence. This is different from annexation which would basically mean a surrender for the Palestinians. Israel would continue as is with the current constitution. Palestinians would become Israeli citizens but on the terms of the Israelis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution
  - bawolff 5y ago
    Sure, if both sides agree to a one state solution, then its not annexing. But Israelis doesn't seem to like the idea and Palestinians don't seem to like the idea, so that seems unlikely.
    - runarberg 5y ago
      Are you sure about that? Has there been recent polling that shows low support? The linked wikipedia article shows some support among Israelis and a high support among Palestinians. I would imagine that support would skyrocket among both nations if two state solution were to be taken off the table (which is increasingly likely).
      - tguvot 5y ago
        on israeli side one state solution is acceptable only by ultra-left (kumbaya and peace forever) or by ultra-right (lets annex and have israel from jordan river to the sea). two state solution won't be taken off the table, it's just a scare tactic. but even if it were, chance that support for it will skyrocket in Israel is non-existent.