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French court upholds ban on pro-Palestine Paris demonstration

17 points by 1cvmask 5y ago

1cvmask 5y ago
Imagine the headlines if Macrons France banned protests against Mcdonalds. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/w/wsfh/0642292.0031.020/--jose-bove-vs-mcdonalds-the-making-of-a-national-hero https://quod.lib.umich.edu/w/wsfh/0642292.0031.020/--jose-bo... https://www.thelocal.fr/20190813/why-did-a-group-of-french-farmers-demolish-a-mcdonalds/ https://www.thelocal.fr/20190813/why-did-a-group-of-french-f... https://www.iatp.org/news/french-farmers-dump-manure-at-mcdonalds-restaurant https://www.iatp.org/news/french-farmers-dump-manure-at-mcdo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Bové https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Bové
- scrollaway 5y ago
  Wtf is "Macron's France"? Macron is not involved here.
  - dopidopHN 5y ago
    He’s Head of executive and leading the political party in the majority position? But correct, that’s more a job for his ministre des affaires étrangères. That being said, that guy report to the first minister, that macron picked. So with enough inference it’s macron’s call.
- PoignardAzur 5y ago
  There have been quite a lot of protest bans since the beginning of the pandemic. They essentially broke the Yellow Vests's momentum. People grumble about it, but there's a general understanding that (A) the government can and does ban protests that it deems dangerous for public order (B) whether a protest is allowed or not has very little impact on how it proceeds.
gnoll_of_gozag 5y ago
US/western europe's adamant opposition to palestine is always so jarring to me, if you look at a map of all state that regognise palestine, the whole world's an almost solid green other than US and one half of europe and a couple of other countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_t...
- jsiepkes 5y ago
  On the other hand western Europe is the biggest donor to the Palestinians [1]. There are words and then there is action; If the (Arab) world wanted a Palestine state it would have been there by now. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians#Major_donors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestini...
  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    Where would this Palestinian state be located? If not in Palestine, it is as much of a solution as moving all Jewish Israelis to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, that is, not a solution at all.
    - dogma1138 5y ago
      The approach itself is wrong, or at least one that ensures that there will be no viable solution. If there was any real interest to promote a solution that would reduce the suffering and improve the conditions under which Palestinians live in the occupied territories, Lebanon, Syria and a Jordan things today would’ve been quite different. A good start would be to shelve the n State solution and focus on normalizing relations; both Palestinians and Israelis care predominantly about having a roof over their heads, food on their tables and employment opportunities for them and their children. Europe is peaceful because even the most destitute of nations in it allow a quality of life that most people on this planet would envy. The second issue that should be the primary focus of anyone who cares about making people’s lives better rather than driving a political issue one way or another is the recognition of Palestinians as refugees and transferring their administration to the UNHCR instead of UNRWA. UNRWA mandate is nothing less than to ensure that displaced people continue to suffer through generations, they aren’t allowed to offer anything but the most basic assistance, build permanent structures which is why refugee camps still exist and the displaced Palestinians have none of the rights that refugees do including equal access to employment, health care and education. They do however have some “unique” rights like being able to transfer their status (males only) to their children which produces quite comical scenarios such as a person who was born to a Palestinian father in Qatar, immigrated to the United Kingdom and adopted a Malaysian child that child is now considered a Palestinian refugee. Now I’m not claiming that the adopted child will seek to use their rights as a Palestinian refugee to return but the fact that the process that governs Palestinian “refugees” puts more focus on ensuing that their numbers continue to grow over granting them basic rights such as the right to employment or education is shameful and it was specifically created because the Arab League would not have backed the UN convention on refugees otherwise.
Bayart 5y ago
As far as I'm aware they also banned some Zionist demonstrations, and pro-Palestine demonstrations were allowed in other places where it didn't pose a threat. It's a complete non-event.
- GoodJokes 5y ago
  See, this isn’t a conflict or a both sides thing. This is a country invading another country against international law. Israel is an apartheid state. Free Palestine.
kyriakos 5y ago
A lot of public opinion on the matter is not based on real facts. PNA / Israel and Hamas issues are not black and white as a lot of people believe. Average Palestinian doesn't support Hamas.
- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  It would be slander to say that they do. It would be akin to asserting that the average Irish person supports the IRA.
- failwhaleshark 5y ago
  If Rabin wasn't assassinated by religious extremists on the right, the P/I conflict would have had a vastly different and better outcome sooner. IMO, stop the Hamas rockets and stop the IDF from sniping women and children... one side unilaterally deciding to stop responding except for imminently-danger captures the moral high-ground.
GoodJokes 5y ago
Governments are daring people to say fuck it and start breaking laws. Ludicrous what Israel is doing and no one can defend it.

17 points by 1cvmask 5y ago

Imagine the headlines if Macrons France banned protests against Mcdonalds. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/w/wsfh/0642292.0031.020/--jose-bove-vs-mcdonalds-the-making-of-a-national-hero https://quod.lib.umich.edu/w/wsfh/0642292.0031.020/--jose-bo... https://www.thelocal.fr/20190813/why-did-a-group-of-french-farmers-demolish-a-mcdonalds/ https://www.thelocal.fr/20190813/why-did-a-group-of-french-f... https://www.iatp.org/news/french-farmers-dump-manure-at-mcdonalds-restaurant https://www.iatp.org/news/french-farmers-dump-manure-at-mcdo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Bové https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Bové

scrollaway 5y ago
Wtf is "Macron's France"? Macron is not involved here.
- dopidopHN 5y ago
  He’s Head of executive and leading the political party in the majority position? But correct, that’s more a job for his ministre des affaires étrangères. That being said, that guy report to the first minister, that macron picked. So with enough inference it’s macron’s call.
PoignardAzur 5y ago
There have been quite a lot of protest bans since the beginning of the pandemic. They essentially broke the Yellow Vests's momentum. People grumble about it, but there's a general understanding that (A) the government can and does ban protests that it deems dangerous for public order (B) whether a protest is allowed or not has very little impact on how it proceeds.

gnoll_of_gozag 5y ago

US/western europe's adamant opposition to palestine is always so jarring to me, if you look at a map of all state that regognise palestine, the whole world's an almost solid green other than US and one half of europe and a couple of other countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_t...

jsiepkes 5y ago
On the other hand western Europe is the biggest donor to the Palestinians [1]. There are words and then there is action; If the (Arab) world wanted a Palestine state it would have been there by now. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians#Major_donors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestini...
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  Where would this Palestinian state be located? If not in Palestine, it is as much of a solution as moving all Jewish Israelis to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, that is, not a solution at all.
  - dogma1138 5y ago
    The approach itself is wrong, or at least one that ensures that there will be no viable solution. If there was any real interest to promote a solution that would reduce the suffering and improve the conditions under which Palestinians live in the occupied territories, Lebanon, Syria and a Jordan things today would’ve been quite different. A good start would be to shelve the n State solution and focus on normalizing relations; both Palestinians and Israelis care predominantly about having a roof over their heads, food on their tables and employment opportunities for them and their children. Europe is peaceful because even the most destitute of nations in it allow a quality of life that most people on this planet would envy. The second issue that should be the primary focus of anyone who cares about making people’s lives better rather than driving a political issue one way or another is the recognition of Palestinians as refugees and transferring their administration to the UNHCR instead of UNRWA. UNRWA mandate is nothing less than to ensure that displaced people continue to suffer through generations, they aren’t allowed to offer anything but the most basic assistance, build permanent structures which is why refugee camps still exist and the displaced Palestinians have none of the rights that refugees do including equal access to employment, health care and education. They do however have some “unique” rights like being able to transfer their status (males only) to their children which produces quite comical scenarios such as a person who was born to a Palestinian father in Qatar, immigrated to the United Kingdom and adopted a Malaysian child that child is now considered a Palestinian refugee. Now I’m not claiming that the adopted child will seek to use their rights as a Palestinian refugee to return but the fact that the process that governs Palestinian “refugees” puts more focus on ensuing that their numbers continue to grow over granting them basic rights such as the right to employment or education is shameful and it was specifically created because the Arab League would not have backed the UN convention on refugees otherwise.

Bayart 5y ago

As far as I'm aware they also banned some Zionist demonstrations, and pro-Palestine demonstrations were allowed in other places where it didn't pose a threat. It's a complete non-event.

GoodJokes 5y ago
See, this isn’t a conflict or a both sides thing. This is a country invading another country against international law. Israel is an apartheid state. Free Palestine.

kyriakos 5y ago

A lot of public opinion on the matter is not based on real facts. PNA / Israel and Hamas issues are not black and white as a lot of people believe. Average Palestinian doesn't support Hamas.

FridayoLeary 5y ago
It would be slander to say that they do. It would be akin to asserting that the average Irish person supports the IRA.
failwhaleshark 5y ago
If Rabin wasn't assassinated by religious extremists on the right, the P/I conflict would have had a vastly different and better outcome sooner. IMO, stop the Hamas rockets and stop the IDF from sniping women and children... one side unilaterally deciding to stop responding except for imminently-danger captures the moral high-ground.

GoodJokes 5y ago

Governments are daring people to say fuck it and start breaking laws. Ludicrous what Israel is doing and no one can defend it.